jdme wrote:
我做了分類整理，簡單...(恕刪)
劉的這些主張基本與台灣某些言論相似，說穿了，便是中國不夠強大讓他們受苦了，在不願親力親為付出，從零到有的苦幹實幹，是而選擇擁抱強權，寧為富人奴，不願窮人子。
一個富強的中國，對於中華文化的傳播與保存才能起到關鍵的作用。台灣長年為西方代工，老百姓崇洋媚外自是少不了，若要中國人對自己的文化有自信，最好的方式莫過於建設一個富強的國家，不欺人，不受人欺。個人樂見中國大陸和平崛起，兩岸人民都是中華文化的子孫，不打仗便是一家人。
jdme wrote:
關於對西方文化的崇拜
1988年，一個香港記者問時年33歲的劉曉波，在什麼情況下中國可以實現真正的歷史性變革。劉回答說：「3百年殖民地。香港1百年殖民地變成今天這樣，中國那麼大，當然需要3百年殖民地，才會變成今天香港這樣，3百年夠不夠，我還有懷疑。」他悲觀地說：「但歷史不會再給中國人這樣的機會了，殖民地時代已經過去了，沒人會願意再背中國這個包袱。」（見金鐘，〈文壇「黑馬」劉曉波：劉曉波答記者問)
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劉還說「選擇西化就是要過人的生活」，並說如果英語好些他會選擇和中國根本沒有關係。他宣稱，最悲哀的事情就是語言的局限性使他不得不和一個「非常愚昧、非常庸俗」的東西對話，即中國的文化知識界。（見金鐘，文壇「黑馬」）
劉是講出中國人切望的事實，
不然，
為何很多的中國人在發達之後，
都選擇移民美國或加拿大呢?
西方，
不管是政治上或生活上、教育上，都比較採自由主義、獨立思考人格，
不會像東方的文化，
採高壓、管制與防堵，
封閉長久下來，
你會覺得東方人都有一種莫名的壓抑，好像非得呼喊領袖的名字才是愛國，這也是一種不自由。
中國人應該要看到的是，
並不是經濟力強大就代表中國脫離卑賤的日子，
而是要去觀察為何西方人在生活上這麼樣地講究細節(包含西化很徹底的日本人)，
注重人權(不只法律層面)，
那是因為這樣環境才能迸發出一個國家的偉大與光明，
中國人現在有朝向這方向行嗎?
其实中国富人阶级移民的原因很多都是对财富安全、自身安全的忧虑感，在中国想跻身上层阶级真的需要各种刀刀见骨的搏杀，没几个经历那些风险过后不后怕不想安全的。
反而那些踏踏实实收入不错的工薪阶层，真的没几个想出国的。我北京的同学朋友，年入几百万左右的，其实都有能力出国，但真没几个想出国。
中国大陆有封闭的方面，可是每年出国人次都亿论了，咋可能像你想象的那么封闭，你又见过有几个大陆人以为高呼领袖才叫爱国？
另外，啥叫不是经济实力强大就能脱离卑贱日子，国家还要弄个歧视链条？又不是100年前有殖民地，只要是独立自主的国家有什么卑贱的？
stanphill wrote:
劉是講出中國人切望...(恕刪)
大致是讲刘晓波的一些和开板类似的有关言论，和得到一个所谓 Independent Chinese PEN Centre（独立中文笔会）的资金支持。
感叹是世界太复杂，还是我们太简单。
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Chinese-Communist-regime-not-release-Mr-Liu-Xiaobo/answer/Jamie-Cawley-1?srid=3u80G
Why did the Chinese Communist regime not release Mr. Liu Xiaobo?
Jamie Cawley
Jamie Cawley, Author of "Beliefs and the world they have created. Lives in China
Updated Jul 2
I paste Godfree Roberts’ eloquent answer below to save him the trouble
Liu Xiaobo
In 1988, an interviewer asked professor Liu Xiaobo what China needed for real change and Liu answered that it needed 300 years of colonization, and attributed Hong Kong’s economic success to its century of colonization. Since colonization had recently killed millions of Chinese and plunged the country into a century of poverty and despair, ordinary Chinese were outraged by Liu’s statement so Chinese police asked him if he were planning to restore colonization and, when he said, “No,” they took no action.
In 1989, Liu flew back from Columbia University to lead the Tiananmen demonstrations. He was subsequently detained for 18 months before his trial but the judge released him for time served on the grounds that he had encouraged students to leave the Square peacefully.
In 2008, on the eve of the Beijing Olympics, he wrote and publicly circulated a document, Charter ’08, calling for China to adopt a Western political system, a free market, transfer of state-owned enterprises to private ownership and privatize all land–policies that ruined Russia and is currently ruining the USA. Liu had timed his campaign to coincide with Uyghur and Tibetan rioters who murdered hundreds and the U.S. Government-sponsored NGO, Reporters Without Borders urged a boycott of the Olympics because of ‘brutal repression’ (despite a notable absence of government brutality).
In 1995, the police took Liu into custody on On 18 May for launching a petition campaign on the eve of the sixth anniversary of 4 June massacre, calling on the government to reassess the event and to initiate political reform. He was held under residential surveillance (‘stay home and watch TV’) for 9 months. He was released in February 1996 but arrested again on 8 October for an October Tenth Declaration, which he co-authored with another prominent dissident, Wang Xizhe. He was ordered to serve three years of re-education through labor "for disturbing public order”.
In 2009, investigators discovered that Liu had secretly received money from the U.S. Government and prosecutors charged him with being an undeclared, paid agent of a hostile foreign power attempting to subvert and overthrow the government under a statute similar to the U.S. Foreign Agents Registration Act, FARA (22 U.S.C. § 611 et seq.)
Liu pled ‘freedom of expression’ but even under US law (Schenck v. United States) political speech can be reasonably limited if the government deems it ‘clear and present danger’. Liu was judged to be a clear and present danger and also adjudged to be unrepentant, and was sentenced to 11 years.
Liu had also failed to declare his income for tax purposes. Here is a record of his payments from the US Government’s National Endowment for Democracy* to Minzhu Zhongguo, Democratic China, Inc., of which Liu Xiaobo is the founder.
2005: $136,000
2006: $136,000
2007: $145,000
2008: $150,000
2009: $195,000 + $18,000 (supplement): $213,000
2010: $220,000
Total sum from NED to Democratic China, Inc., $1,000,000
Mr. Liu received additional money from NED for being the president of «Independent Chinese PEN Centre, Inc.»:
2005: $99,500
2006: $135,000
2007: $135,000
2008: $152,350
2009: $152,950
2010: $170,000
Total sum from NED for «Independent Chinese PEN Centre, Inc.»: US $844,800
Professor Liu’s support from NED: US$1,844,800, about 14 million yuan. In 1991, Allen Weinstein, who helped draft the legislation establishing NED, candidly said: "A lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA". In effect, the CIA launders money through NED. (The Washington Post, Sept. 22, 1991.)
Western media reported none of this. Instead, they reported that Professor Liu was an innocent man fighting for democracy
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