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MLB/曼尼:台灣球場設備差但我感謝那邊所有人

這整件事下來
我只知道一件事
就是記者真是有夠會掰的
連去日本然後加盟金都可以掰出來
真的是太令小弟佩服了!!
請記者朋友們繼續"製造"新聞吧~
您們真的太強了!!
乾脆也報導...
王貞治要回來接兄弟總教練好了~
小沙子 wrote:明明是「職業賽事」的場地問題,和公務員有


現在已經不是職業場地的問題了

是所有場地都有問題
goodversion wrote:

現在已經不是職業場地的問題了

是所有場地都有問題

好吧,分開談。

一般場地的確也有很大的問題,這是公務部門要負責。
但職業用球場,我還是認為應該由職業球團自行負責。

(曼尼說的重點,應該是針對職業用球場的問題吧?)
俞氏鶴頸蛙 wrote:
我猜他指的是比賽以外...(恕刪)

原文如是說(來源:http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/author/sslusser/):

I texted Manny Ramirez today to congratulate him on his return to U.S. baseball; the 12-time All-Star, who was with the A’s last spring and then with Sacramento the first half of last year, signed a minor-league deal with Texas today.

To my surprise, instead of texting, he called me and said, “I’m so happy, I’m so happy I’m back – I couldn’t sleep for two days I was so excited.”

Of his experience in Taiwan and his struggles to get back to the majors after two-plus years, Ramirez said, “You have just got to put yourself in the fire to see what you have.”

Ramirez said that his team in Taiwan did not have a home stadium, so every game was a road game (not unusual there, I’m told), and he even had to wash his own uniform. “I certainly learned a lot,” Ramirez said. “I liked it there, the fans, the people there treated me good, but Triple-A is going to be so nice after Taiwan, having to travel every day.”

Ramirez has become very religious since his suspension in 2011 and, he said, “Before I went to Taiwan, I prayed and said to God, ‘If you want me to play, open the door,’ and then that door opened, and now there is this door opening.”

He also talked to the Nationals, he said; he believes Washington had some interest in him as a pinch hitter.

Brandon Moss, who played with Ramirez in Boston and last year with Sacramento, said, “I think it’s great. He’s obviously done some things and he’s paid his price, but he still loves this game. I think Manny has a different perspective on things than he did in the past. He’s always treated me great, I think he’s a good person. And if he can still play, let him play.”

紅字的部分是Susan Slusser轉述曼尼的說法,真的是說要自己洗"球衣(制服uniform)",不是指一般的衣物。此外Susan Slusser對曼尼說到每場球賽都要移動的部分加了個註解,表示她早已知道此事(not unusual there, I'm told)。從這一段裡看到曼尼最受不了的是每天移動的比賽,從Susan Slusser引述曼尼親口說的"...but Triple-A is going to be so nice after Taiwan, having to travel every day."可以看出來。

另外一篇關於球場和食物的原文在此(來源:http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20130704-manny-speaks-you-re-in-taiwan-and-you-come-to-triple-a-this-is-like-the-big-leagues.ece):

Manny speaks: 'You're in Taiwan, and you come to Triple A, this is like the big leagues' (呆過台灣以後再來到3A,這裡就像大聯盟)

SportsDayDFW.com
Published: 04 July 2013 06:20 PM
Updated: 04 July 2013 06:20 PM

Columnist Kevin Sherrington attended the Round Rock Express' news conference announcing the signing of Manny Ramirez.
Here's some of what Ramirez had to say:

On playing in Taiwan(關於台灣經驗): “It’s a great experience, let me tell you. Once you go overseas, everything change. But I really appreciate the way those people in Taiwan treat me. It’s awesome. I really can’t talk bad about the way they treat me.”
* * *
“Let me tell you, once you’re in Taiwan, and you come to Triple A, this is like the big leagues. Over there in the stadium, no A/C, no food. But I’m just happy to be here.”(這一段是指台灣球場沒有空調沒東西吃,但即使如此他還是很高興)
* * *
How bad did you want to get back?(你有多想要回來(指回美國打球)?)
“Bad, bad, bad(超想、超想、超想回來....). Like I always say you gotta go through the fire first(暗指回美國前的一切都是試煉,那台灣也算是煉獄之一嗎??), then when you come out, blessings come(他熬過來了,祝福也降臨). I went through a tough time, I learned from it and I’m moving on.”(我歷經苦難但也從中學到東西,現在我要向前邁進了)
* * *
“What I learned was once you’re in the storm (這裡的"風暴"應該泛指禁藥風波之後的日子). . . it’s good, because it makes you grow up and make you decide which way you have to go. The thing that I learned when I was in the storm, I learned how to listen, go and pray to God. I didn’t listen to people on the outside, and that helped me a lot.”
* * *
Any adjustments to your hitting approach?
“Not really. I just try to be myself. I don’t make any changes. Sometimes I watch (Raul) Ibanez and (Jason) Giambi and see they’re still doing good so I put that on my mind and say, ‘Why not?’ I just do what I always do."

這一篇就比較負面了,曼尼真的是把台灣看成一個棒球蠻荒的地方,來台灣打球是上帝給他的其中一個試煉....他認為台灣的棒球環境比起3A差一大截,只要呆過台灣再回3A就覺得3A像大聯盟了....
---Grusfaux yui Chu, 2007--- *嗯... 小弟既不姓俞也不姓朱,而世上也沒有鶴頸蛙這種生物

JCB88 wrote:
所以...........(恕刪)

自己都知道吸菸對小朋友不好結果還不是在吸...
劃個吸菸區架銀幕 球場是露天的煙味也是會飄的吧(除非你們可以接受用玻璃帷幕把你們關在裡面 但這成本你們願意吸收嗎?) 再說吸菸區要劃在哪裡才算公平? 銀幕又要架在哪才不會擋到人? 只會講一堆還不如戒菸 對自己與別人都好

是今年才開始慢慢人潮回溫 要做你說的那些都要錢 球團又每年喊虧損 他們怎麼可能因為一個半季的回溫就花錢改善設施 等過幾年人潮一樣多 自然攤販會多 甚至會有MLB那樣在座位間流動的小販 至於認養球場這我想義大都不願意其他就別說了
那些說主場制不適合臺灣的人,好好看看這篇新聞吧!
這就是不實施主場制的惡果之一,
球隊沒固定主場,誰也不想認真改善球場環境.
既然是職業球隊,認養球場及提升軟硬體設備是基本的責任.
別再把責任推給地方政府了!!

小沙子 wrote:
好吧,分開談。

一般場地的確也有很大的問題,這是公務部門要負責。
但職業用球場,我還是認為應該由職業球團自行負責。

(曼尼說的重點,應該是針對職業用球場的問題吧?)...(恕刪)


台灣職業球團在過去都不大,如果要翻新球場,出一半的錢可能也會要他們的命
雖然今年有義大進來跟統一抗橫,不過也是今年的事,
而球場的認養制度也是因此產生,所以他們是認養而已,
要整個大翻修是很難的。

國外的球隊的球場也多是一半球隊出資,一半當地政府出資,
能全數自已出資的球隊不多,主要是他們屬地主義及覺得有部份是當地政府的責任,

如果你要說現在幾個球場是誰的責任,我覺得還是政府及聯盟的責任較大,
但是因為這兩個單位爛很久,加上以前聯盟有大半是球團領隊自已交相賊
搞到現在二十幾年了,什麼也沒進步。過去全部都有問題。

總之,還是希望多幾支有錢有勢的企業來囉,跟政府一起好好的處理,
不然大家苦命經營下去,再二十年後,如果又有一個mlb跑來打球,
他可能會回去跟郝西瑟、曼尼說,二十/四十年前你們經歷過的,我也一樣
sf1020 wrote:
所以最終還是要落實「...(恕刪)

大大說的沒錯呀!
但是太多奇怪的人有奇怪的想法!
說什麼臺灣太小人口太少,不能落實主場制.
就是這種奇怪的想法,所以臺灣的棒球環境無法提升.

職業運動場地竟然要地方政府來維護,
這說出去給人知道都會笑掉人家的大牙!
就像某位大大說的,難道我開店,要政府來幫我裝潢打掃,然後我躺著賺嗎?
沒有投資,沒有行銷,又如何能吸引球迷進場?
沒有提升球員待遇,又如何寄望好球員留在臺灣?
這都是相輔相成的.
goodversion wrote:
台灣職業球團在過去都...(恕刪)

小弟認為,有沒有心的問題罷了.
那米哥的母企業很大嗎?
但他們的球場硬體,除去原有的設計問題,聽說現在是獨步聯盟.
為了球場設備,他們本季已經砸下三千多萬!
誠如大大所說,的確不可能要球團全部出資,
但起碼的誠意要拿出來吧!
當年的三商 味全,難道是小公司嗎?
他們可是上市公司,中信就不用說了!
那米哥有比他們大嗎?
有沒有心的問題而已.

俞氏鶴頸蛙 wrote:
“Let me tell you, once you’re in Taiwan, and you come to Triple A, this is like the big leagues. Over there in the stadium, no A/C, no food. But I’m just happy to be here...(恕刪)


記者操作這新聞真的很簡單,他們不是去申請到一個mlb的球場去採訪
而是選擇最省錢,最簡單的方式去問義大說你們沒有提供食物,
想當然,義大一定很直覺的說這是翻譯問題,還把他們的伙食拿出來講,

我覺得,曼尼講的no food,應該不是那麼簡單的指三餐~~
只是他們mlb過慣了,一來到台灣,當然會把他跟那邊來做比較,
就算是在aaa,也不一定會有食物,
當時就有milb的球員說,他們的三餐有時只是三明治,
是只有mlb的球員來調整,或是比較有名氣的來,我們的伙食才會變好
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