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罰球不好的球員 根本就不能算好球員 管你打甚麼位置都一樣

CP03 wrote:
罰球不能跳超過線也是因為他設的.


那只是因為他是第一位
如果shaq或是其他活動力強的中鋒活在那年代
規則一樣是要改的
張在當時確實是史上第一中鋒
但是那是因為當時競爭力不足
"鶴立雞群"造成的
以下是wikipedia內容
"Russell’s Celtics won 7 of 8 playoff series against Chamberlain’s Warriors, 76ers, and Lakers teams."
"In the playoffs, Chamberlain outscored Russell 25.7 to 14.9"
張在季後賽對上有Russell的球隊,八個系列賽裡輸了七次
而且面對Russell的防守(也不過6'10"),平均得分僅25.7
對比張的例行賽平均動輒三四十分,甚至還有一季平均50.4分的
就可以知道當時水準有多參差不齊
那年代6'7"-6'8"就可以打中鋒, 大前鋒就更矮了
張7'1"的身高一場比賽要海灌他們七八十分還不簡單?
如果張每場比賽要面對SHAQ, Olajuwon, David Robinson, Ewing, Mutombo, Rick Smits, Alonzo Mourning, Sabonis, Vlade Divac之流
旁邊還有如TD, KG, Rasheed Wallace, Jermaine O'neal, Dale Davis, C-Web, Horry, McDyess等大前鋒的協防
你確定他還會是史上第一中鋒???
Shaq才是貨真價實,通過這群人考驗的第一中鋒

SoxFan1999 wrote:
那只是因為他是第一位...(恕刪)


NBA 之前平均體能太弱, wilt 太強
以前的平均素質就像howard 身體碰上ncaa球員, 身體素質無法比較
所以wilt 遇到russel, 就感覺比較像凡人(遇到同等級的)而且就是贏不了

以現在的防守
妳不要說平均50分
到現代要到平均35分我看都有困難
整個聯盟的素質跟1960 提升不知道多少

當然wilt 到現在一定也是聯盟頂級中峰
但是要像早期那種稱霸不太可能
CP03 wrote:
又來了.. 每次都有你這種說謊不打草稿的唬爛王
你英文可能很爛所以沒看過,
詳細你自己慢慢查字點看.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100224214633AAvvebd


OMG
我引述wikipedia被當虎濫王
結果你拿美國奇摩知識裡面一個鄉民的個人意見來回答
這年頭還真有人去奇摩知識找答案的
你是在搞笑嗎


CP03 wrote:
這年代的第一中峰, 三角肌練到爆的 Howard 戰在張伯倫旁邊就跟是像小矮一樣.
Howard 要跟張柏論對眼, 頭還要上仰的


怎麼又放草莓獸出來了...
感覺有點偏激 雖然對於球員而言 罰球是基本功 但也是有特例的
SoxFan1999 wrote:
OMG我引述wiki...(恕刪)


我連名字都列給你了,
你自己去查查吧.


bleacher report 也有.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/438984-wilt-chamberlain-did-he-really-play-in-weak-era

阿 Wiki 好了不起喔.
那你看看 nba 官網的文章好了,
網民不夠力? 有人名列表不行?
那看千勝教頭怎麼說好了.


"Bill Russell remains the greatest shot blocker I've ever seen, because he'd come up with the block in critical situations of the game – and he'd make sure that his team kept possession of the ball. He'd just tip the ball to a teammate, or to himself. Today, too many players want to hammer the ball into the seats; they block shots like a tennis player trying to ace a serve, hitting the ball as hard as possible so no one can touch it. That looks great on TV, very macho. But it's not nearly as effective as Russell's technique of almost gently guiding the ball to someone such as Bob Cousy, who'd start a fast break in the other direction. Compare that to the guy who blocks the shot and screams as it rockets into the crowd: For all the theatrics, the shot blocker's team still doesn't gain possession of the ball; it returns to the team that shot it."
http://www.nba.com/canada/unguarded_010702.html



SoxFan1999 wrote:
那年代6'7"-6'8"就可以打中鋒, 大前鋒就更矮了


Wiki?
在哪?
你看哪唬爛的 Wiki 阿?
不然你列幾各那個年代 6'7 - 6'8 專打中峰的吧,
快 去 wiki 找吧!

OMG,
你以為 Wiki 不是網民寫的喔!
Anyway 你先找到再說吧!

CP03 wrote:
不然你列幾各那個年代 6'7 - 6'8 專打中峰的吧,



當時只有八,九隊
總共就只有十幾個中鋒
6'8的c喔...Wayne Embry, Bob Ferry, Jim Krebs, Wayne Yates...
這還只是某一年喔

下班了
晚上買了洋基的球票..
Jeter的最後一年
下星期在繼續跟你玩
乖喔
SoxFan1999 wrote:
當時只有八,九隊總共...(恕刪)


就這幾位?
Wayne Yates 6'8 (1956-1962 哇.. 阿不你 60 年代只有 2 年喔....)
1962
標準浪人型球員阿.
"After finishing his college career at Memphis State, Yates was drafted by the Los Angeles Lakers in the 1961 NBA Draft with the fifth pick overall.

Yates played one season for the Lakers, backing up All-Star Rudy LaRusso in 1961–62 NBA season. He averaged 1.9 points and 2.5 rebounds in 37 games in a season shortened by injury. In the offseason, he was traded to the Saint Louis Hawks for future draft picks.[3]

Instead of reporting to the Hawks, Yates signed with the Oakland Oaks of the fledgeling American Basketball League.[4] While Yates found a productive role with the team, averaging 10.7 points and 8.7 rebounds per game, the league folded before the season ended. Yates was invited to the New York Knicks training camp prior to the 1963–64 NBA season, however he failed to make the team."

James Krebs 6'8
哎呀.. 1957–1964 剩下六年的 60 年代..... 恩.. 不存在喔!
"Krebs occasionally struggled with foul trouble while in the NBA. He once ranked ninth in the league in personal fouls,[6] and committed a playoff-record five fouls in one quarter during the fifth game of the 1963 NBA Finals.[7] Krebs also engaged in several fights with opposing players, including Russell[8] and St. Louis' Bob Pettit.[9] Indeed, Russell once wrote, "Jim Krebs was known in the league as man who was willing to go beyond the rules in getting his man."[8] Though he could be aggressive on the court, teammates described Krebs as fun-loving and charismatic. Los Angeles Times sportswriter Jim Murray once wrote, "Time and again I've seen him make a team that was about to cry, laugh."[10]"

Bob Ferry 6'8
1959-1968 哇, 中於有一個算打滿 60 年的人耶.

Wayne Embry 6'8
1958-1969 好棒好棒, 又一位!

那 6'7 的在哪?
你怎麼偷改留言阿,
很低級喔!
你不要以為偷改掉就沒講過 6'7 的中峰!
SoxFan1999 wrote:
那年代6'7"-6'8"就可以打中鋒, 大前鋒就更矮了



阿不是很多?
才能列四個 6'8 的中峰?
你孤陋寡聞不知道那年代身高脫鞋量嗎?
現代第一中峰 Howard 脫鞋也才 6'9 阿!


SoxFan1999 wrote:
當時只有八,九隊總共...(恕刪)


對阿, 我下面這列表可有十幾位分到 8/9 隊耶!

Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2"
Dennis Awtrey: 6'11"
Walt Bellamy: 6'11"
Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0"
Nate Bowmen: 6'11"
Mel Counts: 7'0"
Walter Dukes: 7'0"
Jim Eakins: 6'11"
Ray Felix: 6'11"
Hank Finkel: 7'0"
Artis Gilmore: 7'2"
Swede Halbrook: 7'3"
Reggie Harding: 7'0"
Bob Lanier: 6'11"
Jim McDaniels: 6'11"
Otto Moore: 6'11"
Dave Newmark: 7'0"
Rich Niemann: 7'0"
Billy Paultz: 6'11"
Craig Raymond: 6'11"
Elmore Smith: 7'0"
Chuck Share: 6'11"
Ronald Taylor: 7'1"
Nate Thurmond: 6'11"
Walt Wesley: 6'11"

別這樣啦... 這個年代穿著鞋量都可以找到 6'7 還在打中峰的.



事實是 張伯倫 脫鞋量 7'1
現代 nba 也沒幾各有他這高度啦!
SoxFan1999 wrote:
當時只有八,九隊總共...(恕刪)
CP03 wrote:
1956-1962 哇.. 阿不你 60 年代只有 2 年喔....)


你自己列的Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2
是1969年才進NBA耶
哈哈哈
你的60年代只有1年喔
哈哈哈哈哈哈哈


CP03 wrote:
那 6'7 的在哪?
你怎麼偷改留言阿,
很低級喔!
你不要以為偷改掉就沒講過 6'7 的中峰!
阿不是很多?
才能列四個 6'8 的中峰?


週末去洋基球場看了一場球
隔天又去nj看了PGA季後賽
下週末要衝巴爾的摩看陳偉殷比賽
現在心曠神怡來陪你玩玩
來來來
我手上有一大串1960年代6'8以下打中鋒的
6'7的保證有!而且好幾位!
如果我列出來了
你要公開回覆為你上面抹黑我偷改留言很低級的事道歉
外加自己本人錄一段冰桶挑戰短片為ALS募款聲援短片放到本討論串
你敢不敢阿?
認同~~去看看喬登生涯得分數據 光是罰球就佔幾成了
很多很會製造犯規的球員 ~~卻連可以穩穩拿下兩分的卻很少
這次瓊斯杯也是~ 如果罰球可以穩穩那下來 是不是冠軍就要換角了?

"不管你再怎麼會得分 關鍵罰球卻拿不下來 你也不過是一般的好球員" ..(美國某資深體育記者)

平均得分30分的球員 < 拿下致勝罰球的球員
(在NBA 勝利就是一切 管你是拿下50.60分 球隊贏不了 也沒用 更何況幾乎是送分的罰球)
vj200160 wrote:
認同~~去看看喬登生...(恕刪)

不管是職業非職業賽事,關鍵罰球真的太重要了,身為一流得分手,一定是犯規伺候,你罰球準等於有一層護罩了
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