剛在DCARD看到一篇最熱文，來看台灣造謠洗腦多厲害

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2019-04-05 4:19

剛去DCARD隨便看看
結果第一頁最熱文就是這篇【我媽半夜被抓走了】

https://www.dcard.tw/f/mood/p/231019421-我媽半夜被抓走了..

我好奇點進去看看
結果發現是說新疆的
這種幾乎類似小說文竟然騙的台灣人團團轉？
下面評論幾乎深信不疑

我們先來看看這文章。。
已經讓我不想多吐槽了
就隨便圈了了一段文裡面的胡說八道的東西。。

先看原文
剛在DCARD看到一篇最熱文，來看台灣造謠洗腦多厲害

隨便一段裡簡直是張口就來，隨意造謠
剛在DCARD看到一篇最熱文，來看台灣造謠洗腦多厲害

我的天，
1
前段時間還說是新疆百萬人被關
才幾個月，一下子數字漲到500萬人？
中國維吾爾族總共才1000萬人，你說500萬人被關？

2
什麼不允許教維吾爾語純屬胡說八道

自己去看看新疆有專門的維吾爾語電視台，新疆教育更是雙語教學，有維吾爾語和漢語。。不信的可以去看看漢語橋比賽，有位英國選手奪冠，而他自己說過去新疆大學學維吾爾語和文化

3 不尊重習俗更是胡說八道，知不知道央視豬年春晚為了穆斯林族群，竟然都沒怎麼出現豬字和豬的圖案。。。。這都被不少四等漢罵翻了。。。。。

其他太多漏洞我就不一一列舉了。。
－－－－－－－－－－－－

我這篇文，不是為了討論新疆
因為這種文，在我眼裡，簡直是連胡說八道都算不上

我想通過這個
來探討一下，台灣民主自由下的洗腦方式。。。。。
這種文和類似的新聞只是台灣內部造謠洗腦中的九牛一毛
而這種荒誕的文和類似的新聞為什麼在台灣年輕族群一呼百應？為什麼這麼多台灣年輕人會相信這些？長期的意識形態洗腦下，已經早已沒有了判斷能力。。。。。

言論自由新聞自由在台灣成了造謠自由傳謠自由。。。。。

回頭在看看這篇文前的這排字
多麼諷刺

最可笑的是
下面評論都認為中國大陸人被洗腦了，所以不知道這些事。。。。。只有民主台灣，才能知道這些東西。。。。。言論自由多偉大阿。。。

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Arcus0827

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2019-04-05 4:23

DCard時事版別看了，比三民自還更洗腦！
只能騙一些沒出過社會的學生，唉～

打草稿的人

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2019-04-05 4:28

Arcus0827 wrote:
DCard時事版別看...(恕刪)

不是時事，是心情版
在熱門首頁NO1話題。。。

ObiWong

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2019-04-05 4:29

打草稿的人 wrote:
剛去DCARD隨便...(恕刪)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCQGPnjwPUjmTbsjwQnprHw/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0

看人家新疆人拍自己的生活相關影片，不知道誰才是活在平行世界

nomo333

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2019-04-05 4:34

有一群受美國指導的人
要阻擋中國和平統一
所以必需不斷的抹黑中國大陸
這樣才能製造一群反中的台灣人
也才可以順便培養一群願意上戰場的人
然後美國可以漁翁得利

anyd1992

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2019-04-05 5:45

沒腦仔是不是對民主自由有什麼重大誤會
只要是不對社會公益造成重大危害者，民主自由國家的行政機器不得限制其個人言論。

這就是自由國家跟你們極權國家的最大差別，我們會盡可能希望政府別來管我們的言論自由，
因為當政府有資格審核人民的言論正確與否時，那是一件極為危險而且令人不爽的事情。
你們如果覺得被專制中共管制言論自由很爽的話，就麻煩老老實實的呆在牆內，別老是喜歡翻出牆來靠北靠木一堆屁話。

他要在D卡寫小說說書是他家的事情，你覺得他很低能，那就別看啊幹，你覺得真的超不爽，你也可以寫一篇文反駁啊，
阿如果他最後能寫到讓比較多愚民相信，而你不行，那就只能怪你比他廢，怪你比他蠢啊，不然？

資訊爆炸的網路時代本來就是這樣，言論自由伴隨而來的就是篩選真相的能力，
但臺灣人跟你們最大的差別就是，
臺灣人不會希望專制政府來鉗制我們的言論自由，
臺灣人不會希望專制政府來替人民決定什麼才是真相，懂嗎？

你們政府什麼都要管，你們或許覺得沒什麼，但是臺灣人就是不爽政府管太多，OKAY？

練個氣功也要管，信個法輪功也要管，網上嘴炮個領導人也要管，議論一下時政也要刪文，
你想必覺得在牆內這樣活著是一件很開心的事情，所以才會翻出牆外酸溜溜的嘲諷自由民主吧。

對了，照你的定義，
如果發表自己的言論自由叫做造謠跟洗腦的話，

那全臺灣兩千三百萬人都同時擁有造謠與洗腦別人的言論自由，
包含現在翻出牆外在發這篇文的你，同時也享有了這樣的自由，不被刪文的自由，
能讓你的思想被看到的自由。

臺灣人不會讓專制政府來決定什麼文是正確的，什麼文則是應該刪除的造謠文。

網民造謠文本來就是網路時代不可避免的問題，
你以為虎撲知乎百度還是4CH或REDDIT有可能會比較好？
還不是民科當道，文章寫得好的半桶水造謠文常被讚爆。

不過差別在於臺灣人的論壇不會像你們那麼喜歡自我審查，
動不動就把議論時政的文刪光光，
呵呵。

ObiWong

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2019-04-05 5:59

anyd1992 wrote:
沒腦仔是不是對民主...(恕刪)

最近我們政府正忙著要以打假新聞的名義打擊言論自由呢

專打立場是和政府不同的媒體

還有同黨立委就出來罵那些出來罵農委會的農業人士是人家的走狗

fb更是網軍四處跑，天天都在製作不同的圖要洗腦大家呢

有人覺得民主國家就不會試著控制人民的思想？你真是又傻又天真

對了，在這邊發文違規的話還是會被刪文的，被管妹刪文

ObiWong

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2019-04-05 6:17

anyd1992 wrote:
藍蛆整天賴缺德空心菜大母豬的亂叫

就是言論自由的最好例證了

別的不必多說

真的是人一藍腦就殘

可能真的殘到覺得中共的言論鉗制跟你們口中的綠共是同一等級的吧

講腦殘嗎？

用能不能罵政治人物來定義言論自嗎？

我們來給無知小民上上課好了

這裡列出12個國家你只要罵了領導人或皇室就會被處罰
當然也包含了不少民主國家

裡面最有趣的就是荷蘭和波蘭，想不到吧

言論自由？

This is how these 12 countries will punish you for insulting their heads of state

1. Azerbaijan: Up to two years' "corrective labor"

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These men are risking "a fine of 500 to 1,000 nominal financial units, or corrective labor for up to two years, or imprisonment for the same term" if the Azerbaijaini authorities judge that this poster of theirs is "humiliating" to the honor and dignity of President Ilham Aliyev. (No, we're not sure exactly what "corrective labor" is either, but you can bet you wouldn't enjoy it.) Even worse news for them, given that they're comparing him to Charlie Chaplin as Adolf Hitler, is that "Where such acts are connected to accusations of the commission of a serious crime, these are punishable by imprisonment from two to five years."

2. Lebanon: Up to $66,400 in fines

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Lebanon's laws forbid the publication of material that "undermines the dignity of the president of the republic," which is punishable by a minimum of one month and a maximum of two years in prison, and/or a fine between 50 million and 100 million Lebanese pounds ($33,200-$66,400). You might assume that "publication" means the law applies only to newspapers, and perhaps it did when the code was written in 1977, but Lebanon has decided its 30-something year old law also extends to new media. Just last month, for instance, a Lebanese web developer was sentenced to two months in prison for insulting President Michel Sleiman on Twitter, when he tweeted that the head of state was "politically castrated."

3. Venezuela: Up to 40 months in prison

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Under Venezuelan law, it's a crime to offend, "in writing, speech or by any other means" (interpretative dance?), the elected or acting president. If you're found guilty, you'll get six to 30 months' imprisonment if the offense is considered serious, and three to 15 months if it's considered minor. Commit the offense in public and you'll see your sentence upped by one third. The legislation received some controversial outings under the late Hugo Chavez, who critics accused of borrowing the Castro brothers' approach to dissent in Cuba (where "contempt" of almost any public official is a crime, and insulting the president could earn you up to three years in prison).

4. Poland: Up to three years in prison

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US President Barack Obama might want to watch his tongue when he visits Polish President Bronislaw Komorowski: publicly insulting the Polish president is punishable by up to three years in prison. But the same warning goes for anyone tempted to take a swing at Poland's foreign guests. You see, the country's penal code extends the same privilege to any foreign head of state while he or she is on Polish soil. So, for example, during a state visit by Russian President Vladimir Putin in 2005, Polish police arrested 28 protesters demonstrating against him. It may not be the world's harshest insult law, but it's certainly had one of the weirdest applications: in 2006, prosecutors reportedly charged a 45-year-old man with "contempt for the office of the head of state" after he, ahem, loudly passed gas at the mention of Poland's then-president.

5. Turkey: Up to four years in prison

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Turkey has some pretty stringent insult laws, and it isn't afraid to use them. The penal code states that "a person who defames the president of the republic shall be imprisoned for a term of one to four years," with the sentence to be increased by a sixth if the offense is committed in public. That goes even if the president has been dead for 75 years: there's a special law on crimes against Turkey's founding father, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, which states that "Anyone who publicly insults or curses [his] memory... shall be imprisoned with a sentence of between one and three years."

6. The Netherlands: Up to five years in prison

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That's right, even liberal little Netherlands has laws to protect its rulers' honor. Intentionally insulting the monarch could earn you up to five years' imprisonment or a fine, while the same offense against the monarch's spouse, the heir apparent, the heir apparent's spouse or the regent carries up to four years behind bars. And these laws don't just sit gathering dust in the statute books, by the way: in 2007, two people were arrested for separately calling the then Queen Beatrix a "whore," while in 2012 another two individuals found themselves with short prison sentences for making statements judged offensive to her dignity.

7. Cameroon: Up to $42,260 in fines

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Several African countries have laws against "sedition" (read: saying stuff your ruler doesn't like) left over from times colonial, and continue to make enthusiastic use of them. We're singling out Cameroon for the chilling reason that, per the penal code, truth is not a defense. In other words, all the bad things you're saying about President Paul Biya may very well be accurate; but that doesn't mean they won't earn you one to ﬁve years imprisonment and/or a ﬁne of 20,000 to 20 million CFA francs ($42-$42,260). And while there may be no specific law against it, you definitely want to refrain from saying too much about the president's wife: one author who wrote a book about the thrillingly-haired Chantal Biya (pictured with her husband, above) found himself sentenced in 2010 to two years' imprisonment after insult charges were filed against him by the Cameroonian state.

8. Bahrain: Up to seven years in prison

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Time was, you could insult the emir of Bahrain and get a simple jail term. It was a crime, sure, but no minimum or maximum punishment was set. As of last month, anyone who publicly offends the kingdom's monarch, flag or national emblem is looking at "a punishment of imprisonment for a period of no less than one year and no more than seven years and a fine of no less than 1,000 Bahraini dinars [$2,650] and no more than 10,000 Bahraini dinars [$26,500]." Doing so in the presence of King Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa himself, according to Bahrain's official news agency, will be considered "aggravated circumstances" and could presumably lead to worse.

9. Kuwait: Permanent exile

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If Sheikh Sabah al-Ahmad al-Sabah looks shocked at what you just said, it's because he's "immune and inviolable" and any criticism of him is illegal. It says so right there in the Kuwaiti constitution. If you're found guilty of disregarding this precept — and several people have been in recent memory — you face up to five years in prison and even, in one case in January 2014, permanent exile. Meanwhile any publication that prints content unfavorable to the emir, or even attributes a quote to him without first obtaining written authorization, is liable for a fine of between 5,000 and 20,000 dinars (approximately $17,800-$71,100).

10. Thailand: Up to 15 years in prison

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We have a feeling Kuwait's royal family would get on rather well with Thailand's. Just like the Kuwaiti emir, the Thai monarch is inherently infallible: "The King shall be enthroned in a position of revered worship and shall not be violated," states the country's constitution. "No person shall expose the King to any sort of accusation or action." Anyone who forgets that, and dares to defame, insult or threaten the king, his queen, the heir apparent or the regent "shall be punished with imprisonment of three to 15 years." So says the criminal code. In practical terms, any commentary on the royal family that is less than glowing can invite charges and lengthy prison terms. According to a Supreme Court ruling in 2013, the same punishments apply to anyone found to be insulting any Thai monarch, ever, whether they're alive to hear you or not.

11. Iran: 74 lashes

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Iran reserves its harshest penalty — death — for those who insult the Prophet Mohammed, but the punishment for speaking ill of its political leaders is hardly a slap on the wrist. More like several slaps, on the back and with a whip. According to the penal code: "Anyone who insults any of the leaders of the three branches of government, presidential deputies, ministers, any of the members of Parliament, or any ministry staff, or any other state employees, due to their duties, shall be punished by imprisonment of three to six months, flogging (74 lashes) or a fine." And you'd better believe they mean it. Just ask Maziar Bahari, a journalist for Newsweek who was sentenced in May 2010 to 13 and a half years in prison and 74 lashes for, among other charges, insulting Iran's supreme religious leader and its president. Bahari had already left Iran and thus escaped his sentence; not so Peyman Aref, an Iranian student found guilty of writing an "insulting" letter to then-President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in March 2010. He was jailed for a year and, just hours before his release, flogged 74 times.

12. Indonesia: Up to five years in prison?

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Let us be clear: you are now free to insult the president of Indonesia with impunity. (Or at least, no less impunity than for insulting anyone else in Indonesia, which isn't actually much impunity.) The article in the criminal code that specifically outlawed "intentional insult of the president or vice president" — formerly punishable by up to six years' imprisonment — was declared unconstitutional and abolished in 2006. However, the government has proposed revising the code yet again, including restoring the ban on dissing the head of state. If the draft is approved by legislators, who are debating it right now, an insult against President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono could get you up to five years in prison.