這是今天中時點子報的新聞--
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2017年11月18日 01:35 中时电子报 黄丽蓉
http://www.chinatimes.com/cn/realtimenews/20171118000808-260417
在未來的戰爭中，空中力量優勢扭轉戰爭局勢已成常態。那殲20與F22對戰究竟鹿死誰手？美媒直指，F-22A「猛禽」戰鬥機不再是最頂端的戰機，中國殲-20戰鬥機一些全新措施已能擊敗F-22A的空中優勢！
美國國家利益網站一篇文「Stealth Showdown: Americas F-22 Raptor vs Chinas J-20 (Who Wins?)」指出，美國F-22A第五代隱身戰鬥機憑著先進性能獲得絕對優勢，而中國殲-20的強勢出場瞬間打破了這種平衡，中國可說已完全具備和F-22A「猛禽」對抗的底氣。
美國軍事專家指出，殲-20對戰F-22A，誰能在超視距打擊、火力格鬥、電子戰作戰能力上勝出，誰就能占優勢。
相比四代機，五代機更註重隱身能力，儘管F-22A「猛禽」戰鬥機的隱身性能和性能很好，但中國已趕上來了。殲-20全新設計的隱身外形比F-22A有著更明顯優勢，若F-22A作為進攻的一方，一旦開啟火控雷達，馬上會被殲-20鎖定，誰勝誰敗已不言而喻。
該報導更指出，中國很可能是美國今後50年裏唯一勢均力敵的對手，雖然雙方不太可能爆發衝突，但美國仍必須作最壞的打算！
ZAMBOT1 wrote:
這是今天中時點子報...(恕刪)
國家利益網站原文
話雖如此 , 不過美國波音下一代的F/A-XX 戰鬥機也同樣具備鴨翼及DSI進氣系統 ~
甚至連殲-20最主要的三角翼機身結構特徵 , 也極為雷同 ...
所以到時比匿蹤 比高速機動性 , 未必會遜於殲20 ~
波音公司F/A-XX 設計概念圖
原文寫的和我一樣,J-20太大太重,發動機太差,只能當攻擊機根本不能當空優機
也對中國宣稱能造WS-15和AESA的能力表示懷疑,理由很簡單:中國要是能,幹嘛買SU-35??
中國造發動機的能力作者也表示懷疑,理由也和我一樣:中國到現在都還沒獨立造出一台可靠的發動機,連山寨自俄羅斯的都不行
哪來的能力造WS-15??
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http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/stealth-showdown-americas-f-22-raptor-vs-chinas-j-20-who-22558?page=2
Perhaps the most compelling evidence that would point to the J-20 being optimized for the strike role is the fact that the airframe is enormous but has relatively small wings. It’s also seems to have huge weapons bays. While such a configuration works well for a fast supersonic strike aircraft, it’s not ideal for an air superiority fighter that needs be able to sustain high rates of turn.
The People’s Republic of China is likely to be the only peer level competitor to the United States over the next fifty years. While a conflict is unlikely—a Third World War is in nobody’s interests—the United States must be prepared for such an eventuality.
As with all modern conventional wars, airpower and air superiority will play a key role. For the United States, the stealthy Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor will be America’s premier weapon to ensure dominance over the skies until it is eventually replaced by whatever comes out of the U.S. Air Force’s F-X program.
The most direct Chinese analogue to the Raptor is the Chengdu J-20. How would such a jet fair against America’s best?
Not much is known about the Chinese jet—it might not even be a fighter in the traditional sense of the word. It could be a specialized aircraft that is specifically designed to attack the sinews of U.S. power projection capabilities in the Western Pacific as part of an overall Chinese anti-access/area denial strategy (A2/AD). Basically, the jet might be optimized to hit support assets like tankers, AWACS, JSTARS or even carry long-range cruise missiles to attack scattered U.S. bases and aircraft carriers in the region.
Here is what we do know about the J-20. It appears to have a stealth airframe and it liberally borrows design cues from both the Raptor and its Lockheed stable-mate, the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. That’s not an accident; the Chinese very likely stole a large amount of classified F-35 data.
There are some indications that the J-20 is a primarily a strike aircraft but with a robust air-to-air capability. Like the American F-35, the newest J-20 prototypes appear to have an electro-optical targeting system mounted under the nose. That sensor could be Beijing A-Star Science and Technology’s EOTS-89 electro-optical targeting system (EOTS). A dedicated air superiority fighter wouldn’t need that kind of sensor.
There are also indications that the Chinese jet carries an active electronically scanned array radar (AESA). Allegedly, the J-20 would be fitted with a Type 1475 radar, which is supposedly being tested on a China Test Flight Establishment owned Tupolev Tu-204. However, there is no way to confirm that information because the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) isn’t really all that forthcoming about sharing information about its developmental projects. That being said, given Beijing’s interest in the Su-35—which is mostly likely driven by a desire to harvest that Flanker variant’s radar and engine technology, I have my doubts about how far along the Chinese have gotten on developing an operational AESA.
Perhaps the most compelling evidence that would point to the J-20 being optimized for the strike role is the fact that the airframe is enormous but has relatively small wings. It’s also seems to have huge weapons bays. While such a configuration works well for a fast supersonic strike aircraft, it’s not ideal for an air superiority fighter that needs be able to sustain high rates of turn.
Moreover, China hasn’t demonstrated that it has the requisite engine technology necessary to power an air superiority fighter of that size. The People’s Republic hasn’t perfected its indigenous WS-10, let alone come close to finishing development of the next-generation WS-15. In fact, China hasn’t demonstrated it can build any reliable jet engine—and that’s including designs that it stole from Russia. But a strike aircraft doesn’t need to have a spectacular thrust to weight ratio—thus the jet’s current twin Russian-built Saturn AL-31F engines might be adequate for China’s purposes.
Further, there is a strong argument to be made that short-range tactical fighters like the F-22 and F-35 are ill-suited for operations in the Western Pacific where distances are vast and bases are scarce. The same geographic constraints also apply to the Chinese. That means that jets like the F-22 and F-35 need tankers to operate over those vast distances. The most logical way for the Chinese to tackle American and allied airpower is not to confront those forces head-on but rather by removing their ability to fight. That means going after U.S. bases, tankers and communications nodes. Thus in that sense, the J-20 could be China’s means to establish air superiority if viewed through that lens. In that sense it might have the upper hand against the F-22.
Of course, this is all conjecture. Only the PLAAF knows where the J-20 fits into their order of battle, but it could prove to be a formidable foe.
Dave Majumdar is Defense Editor for The National Interest.
piwu0536 wrote:
國家利益網站原文話...(恕刪)
1:你轉帖是根本不看原文??人家N.I 啥時這樣說了??都是中時電子報記者自己憑空偽造的
2:DSI??美國5-60年代的老骨董,用了保證飛不過2音速
ZAMBOT1 wrote:
人家原文連J-20...(恕刪)
Z大還是繼用用F5吊打31的帖吧...
J20本來就不會和F22玩空對空的遊戲....
F22快速猛禽就是防這個吧...
戰場在中國週邊中國享有量的優勢...恢復力也比那些小島快...
J16掛500公里超長程空空導彈的照片,J16電戰機..
http://gkjlai.pixnet.net/blog/post/455049170-解放軍空軍j-16戰轟機攜帶大型不明型號新飛
https://www.ettoday.net/news/20170117/850870.htm?t=超遠程空空導彈亮相紅劍軍演 「霹靂-1X」射程700公里
以後J16機群會成為J20的武庫機...和電子做戰機
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