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南韓F-16 BAE升級案的後續發展==>BAE要告南韓片面解除合約

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難得台灣押寶押對一次
不知道後續發展為何?
2014-11-19 0:24 發佈
BAE 看似放棄這塊大餅
日前裁掉該專案的 191 名員工 僅留少數幾個
將已進行改裝的兩架 恢復歸還韓國空軍後 關燈鎖大門
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141118/DEFREG02/311180048/KF-16-Fallout-BAE-Cuts-191-Jobs

另外傳出韓國即將和洛馬簽約
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141117/DEFREG03/311170012/S-Korea-Moving-Closer-Lockheed-F-16-Deal

Mike H wrote:
BAE 看似放棄這塊...(恕刪)


好慘呀
BAE 原本想和南韓以商購管道進行 依此報出低價
但美國空軍堅持要走完整軍購程序 風險管理費用大增
就算找上其他 F-16 用戶 卡在美國空軍態度 價格也壓不下來
只好認命

Mike H wrote:
BAE 原本想和南韓...(恕刪)


請教一下,

請問台灣的升級案是軍購模式吧?

韓國如果改找洛馬價格是不是也低不下來?

台灣走軍購模式 由美國空軍專案管理

既然美國不讓韓國和 BAE 搞商購
轉由洛馬承包 想必也是軍購
找到兩個金主 分攤掉研發測試費用
日後美軍機隊要升級的話 可以撿現成

Mike H wrote:
台灣走軍購模式 由美...(恕刪)


如果韓國是純揀咱們現成出來的成果
而沒有共同攤提研發費用的話.....

那麼以後我們一樣有機會從韓國身上拿權利金回來的(其它比照辦理國家也是)
如同之前神鷹機的例子
(國軍要求客製構型的S-70C...後來因為同樣構型外賣而獲得四百萬美元的權利金)
There is something more than you will ever see...

戒了咖啡的山羊 wrote:
如果韓國是純揀咱們現...(恕刪)


S-70C是商規採購,

軍購好像沒這套.
sp0609 wrote:
S-70C是商規採購...(恕刪)


若未來有其它國家同樣選用SABR
我們可以拿到應分攤的研發費用
(美軍若拿來用則不用付錢...這就是您所提的走軍購管道的效應)


翻到下面這個東西,有提到針對與美國的共同合作,一次性的研發費用,使用到美國政府資產的費用
與製造成本,若銷售上理想的話,可以對客戶提供成本豁免(不需國會批准,也不需報告理由及金額)
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Cost Waivers Under the Foreign Military Sales Program:
More Attention and Control Needed
FGMSD-78-48A: Published: Sep 26, 1978. Publicly Released: Sep 26, 1978

The Arms Export Control Act provides that charges for nonrecurring research, development, and production costs and for the use of government-owned assets can be waived or reduced if the sale would significantly advance either U.S. interests in North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) standardization or foreign procurement in the United States under coproduction arrangements. The Department of Defense (DOD) is not required to obtain congressional approval before authorizing waivers, nor is it required to report to Congress on the reasons for and amounts of waivers.

In some cases, planned waivers will comply with congressional intent, but in other cases it is difficult to measure whether standardization would be advanced. DOD has not developed specific criteria for granting cost waivers because it believes this would place the Secretary of Defense at a disadvantage in negotiations. However, Congress should be informed of the amounts being waived and the reasons for granting waivers. DOD authorized the waiver of royalty fees for use of a U.S.-developed technical data package. Although the act does not require that the fees be charged, the waiver results in subsidies to foreign governments which is inconsistent with a purpose of the act. In addition to cost waivers, there were instances in which foreign governments were undercharged, and thus subsidized, by millions of dollars.

There is something more than you will ever see...
印象中 國軍80~90年代的軍購很多就是走商購(當時美國為對抗蘇聯 米國因而對中國方面的施壓讓步,這幾年米國則是不太甩中共方面的抗議,攻擊性的先進武器如陸攻魚叉/AH-64E 照樣賣台灣)...商購模式結果不是當冤大頭 再不就是售後服務吃足苦頭(S-2T反潛機)...這也是國軍為啥堅持依定要走軍購模式.
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