陳小春2525 wrote:
什麼叫不義戰爭？俄羅...(恕刪)
那美國打的可多了去了
聽 tjptw吹喇叭真的只能笑 笑到牙齒掉了他還是在那邊吹
吹到烏克蘭輸了他還會開始扯東扯西
這種人 不需要浪費時間
10/16
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-present-victory-plan-ukraines-parliament-2024-10-16/
Zelenskiy sets out 'victory plan' as Ukraine faces precarious moment
烏克蘭面臨不穩定時刻，澤倫斯基制定“勝利計劃”
NATO INVITE
Ukraine needs an unconditional invitation to join the NATO military alliance now, he said.
"We understand that NATO membership is a matter of the future, not the present. But (Russian President Vladimir) Putin can see that his geopolitical calculations are headed for defeat," Zelenskiy said.
北約邀請
他說，烏克蘭現在需要無條件邀請加入北約軍事聯盟。
「我們明白，加入北約是未來的問題，而不是現在的問題。但（俄羅斯總統弗拉基米爾）普丁可以看到，他的地緣政治算盤正在走向失敗，」澤倫斯基說。
BEEF UP UKRAINE'S DEFENCE CAPABILITIES
He said Ukraine's ability to defend itself had to be "irreversibly strengthened" and laid out a number of ways to do this.
They included further arming Ukraine and strengthening its defence industry, boosting air defence capabilities, removing restrictions on weapon use and a continuation of Ukrainian military operations on Russian soil.
加強烏克蘭的國防能力
他表示，烏克蘭的自衛能力必須“不可逆轉地加強”，並提出了多種方法來做到這一點。
其中包括進一步武裝烏克蘭並加強其國防工業、增強防空能力、取消對武器使用的限制以及烏克蘭繼續在俄羅斯領土上進行軍事行動。
DETERRENCE
Zelenskiy said Ukraine's western allies should deter Russia from any further aggression by showing Moscow that this would have consequences.
"Ukraine proposes to place on its soil a comprehensive non-nuclear strategic deterrence package that will be sufficient to protect Ukraine from any military threat from Russia," he said.
He said there was also a secret addendum to this part of the plan, and did not go into further detail on what the proposed deterrence involved.
威懾
澤連斯基表示，烏克蘭的西方盟友應該向莫斯科表明這將產生後果，從而阻止俄羅斯的進一步侵略。
他說：“烏克蘭提議在其領土上部署全面的非核戰略威懾計劃，這將足以保護烏克蘭免受俄羅斯的任何軍事威脅。”
他表示，該計劃的這一部分還有一個秘密附錄，但沒有進一步詳細說明擬議的威懾措施涉及哪些內容。
STRATEGIC ECONOMIC POTENTIAL
Zelenskiy proposed that Ukraine sign an agreement with the U.S., EU and other unnamed allies that would allow for joint investments and use of Ukraine's natural resources, which Zelenskiy said were worth trillions of dollars.
"These include, in particular, uranium, titanium, lithium, graphite and other strategically valuable resources that will strengthen either Russia and its allies or Ukraine and the democratic world in global competition," he said.
戰略經濟潛力
澤連斯基提議烏克蘭與美國、歐盟和其他未透露姓名的盟友簽署一項協議，允許聯合投資和使用烏克蘭的自然資源，澤倫斯基稱這些資源價值數兆美元。
他說：“其中特別包括鈾、鈦、鋰、石墨和其他具有戰略價值的資源，這些資源將在全球競爭中增強俄羅斯及其盟友或烏克蘭和民主世界的實力
UKRAINE STRENGTHENING NATO
Zelenskiy proposed that after the war, Ukraine's armed forces could be used to enhance the security of NATO, and replace some of the U.S. forces currently stationed in Europe.
烏克蘭加強北約
澤倫斯基提出，戰後烏克蘭武裝部隊可用於加強北約安全，並取代目前駐紮在歐洲的部分美軍。
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基本上司機把整個烏克蘭賣給西方了為了加入北約~
UUSSDD wrote:
回到戰爭現況聽tjptw...(恕刪)
現實是賣了無數個烏克蘭也加入不了北約
人家就是想利用一下烏克蘭來消耗俄羅斯而已
目標沒達成自己就付出相當大的代價了
眼看歐美不可能達成預設的目標
那烏克蘭就從有用的棋子變成負擔
要不是烏克蘭還有當緩衝區的作用
歐美會更不客氣地拋棄烏克蘭
開打的那年歐美各種媒體鋪天蓋地的把司機捧成英雄
現在根本就不鳥他
至於俄羅斯
人家想好整個後面發展的戰略規劃
且一步一步的還在進行
要說能多有成果那還不好說
但起碼證明了俄羅斯不會被打垮
當然對俄羅斯來說怎樣結束或者說對抗性大幅下降的在烏克蘭的戰爭也慢慢要開始考慮
只拿頓巴斯那大概俄羅斯胃口沒這麼小
不過先等待美國大選完知道下一任誰是美國總統
得準備開始談判了
但邊談邊打的時間可能會拖很久
烏克蘭在那邊不切實際
那基本只能打到烏克蘭願意面對現實
畢竟他的勝利計畫是建立在加入北約才可以實現
https://www.politico.eu/article/mark-rutte-nato-military-aid-ukraine-membership-volodymyr-zelenskyy-victory-plan/
BRUSSELS — Kyiv will get cash from NATO, but the alliance is waffling on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s call for Ukraine to get a clear invitation to join the alliance to deter Russian leader Vladimir Putin.
NATO chief Mark Rutte said Wednesday that the alliance will reach a €40 billion military aid target for Ukraine, but was fuzzier on just when Ukraine will get into the alliance.
That’s not what Zelenskyy wants to hear ahead of his visit to Brussels Thursday to push his so-called victory plan, which was presented Wednesday to Ukraine’s parliament. He aims to end the war by securing a NATO membership invitation plus continued arms shipments to force Russia to the negotiating table
基輔將從北約獲得現金，但該聯盟對總統澤倫斯基呼籲烏克蘭明確邀請加入該聯盟以威懾俄羅斯領導人普丁的呼籲含糊其辭。
北約秘書長馬克魯特週三表示，該聯盟將為烏克蘭提供 400 億歐元的軍事援助目標，但對於烏克蘭何時加入聯盟的說法較為模糊。
這不是澤連斯基在周四訪問布魯塞爾之前想聽到的，以推動他週三向烏克蘭議會提交的所謂勝利計劃。他的目標是透過獲得北約成員資格並繼續運送武器來迫使俄羅斯坐到談判桌上來結束戰爭
POLITICO因為有被邀請到北約訪談的媒體
這是完整北約訪問
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_229530.htm
Why Russia is far outpacing US/Nato in weapons production
為什麼俄羅斯在武器生產方面遠超過美國/北約
Indeed, Russia is outproducing all of NATO and the U.S in terms of ammunition, rockets, and tanks, despite having a 2023 defense budget of just $100 billion and a GDP of $2 trillion. Compare this to the combined US/NATO defense budget of $1.47 trillion and a combined GDP of about $45 trillion.
事實上，儘管俄羅斯 2023 年的國防預算僅為 1,000 億美元，GDP 為 2 兆美元，但其彈藥、火箭和坦克的產量卻超過了所有北約和美國。與此相比，美國/北約合計國防預算為 1.47 兆美元，GDP 合計約 45 兆美元。
How can this be?
In short, the United States and NATO allies are prosecuting a war they would like to win, while Russia is prosecuting a war it believes that it has to win — an existential war
怎麼會這樣呢？
簡而言之，美國和北約盟國正在發動一場他們希望獲勝的戰爭，而俄羅斯正在發動一場它認為必須獲勝的戰爭——一場關乎生存的戰爭
Going into 2022 there was little doubt that the U.S. Army no longer believed artillery to be as central to the battlefield as it once was. Demonstrating this mindset, on May 21, 2021, just about eight months before Russia invaded Ukraine, the Army requested permission to cut back annual spending on its 155mm rounds by half, reducing annual production to 75,357 rounds per year, about 6,200 per month.
進入 2022 年，毫無疑問，美國陸軍不再像以前那樣認為火砲是戰場的核心。為了體現這種心態，2021 年 5 月 21 日，即俄羅斯入侵烏克蘭前約 8 個月，陸軍請求將 155 毫米彈藥的年度支出削減一半，將年產量減少至每年 75,357 發，每月約 6,200 發。
Yet, it is not enough to provide artillery shells, you also need the artillery to fire the shells, and Ukraine’s artillery is not only wearing down, but it is also being destroyed by Russia. And long before artillery tubes (barrels) fail completely due to wear and tear, they begin to lose range and become less accurate. Both Ukraine and Russia have to deal with the wear issue, so the question is who has the heavy industry to build artillery tubes.
然而，僅僅提供砲彈還不夠，還需要火砲來發射砲彈，而烏克蘭的火砲不僅在磨損，而且還在被俄羅斯摧毀。早在火砲管（砲管）因磨損而完全失效之前，它們就開始失去射程並變得不太準確。烏克蘭和俄羅斯都必須處理磨損問題，所以問題是誰擁有建造火砲管的重工業。
Though there's not a lot of information available on artillery tube/barrel production rates, Russia is outstripping the U.S. and NATO weapons production by running its very large Soviet era factories 24/7 to produce ammunition, vehicles and other military. This suggests that it is also likely doing the same when it comes to artillery tube production, as well as producing brand new artillery.
儘管關於火砲身管生產率的資訊不多，但俄羅斯透過其蘇聯時代的大型工廠 24/7 全天候（24/7）生產彈藥、車輛和其他軍品，正在超越美國和北約的武器生產。這表明，在火砲生產以及生產全新火砲方面，它也可能採取同樣的做法。
The Army's plan to build production up to 100,000 rounds per month, 1.2 million annually, by the end of 2025 sounds pretty good. But we have yet to see that production rate in reality, and by the end of 2025 Ukraine could have lost the war.
陸軍計劃在 2025 年底將產量提高到每月 10 萬發、每年 120 萬發，聽起來相當不錯。但我們還沒有看到實際的生產力，到 2025 年底，烏克蘭可能會輸掉戰爭。
Hence, if everything goes according to plan, by the end of 2025 the U.S. and its NATO allies could be producing nearly 2 million 155mm rounds per year. This seems less impressive when you consider that from the start of the war to today Russia has already increased its overall annual artillery shell production to three million rounds.
因此，如果一切按計劃進行，到 2025 年底，美國及其北約盟國每年可生產近 200 萬枚 155 毫米彈藥。考慮到從戰爭開始到今天，俄羅斯已經將其每年的砲彈總產量增加到 300 萬發，這似乎就不那麼令人印象深刻了。
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