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055與勃克級的優劣怎麼看!! 055大幅修改原始設計的雷達,產生一堆謎團!!

ljcaa wrote:
轉貼王孟源在 2015...(恕刪)


王孟源

台灣清華大學物理系畢業,哈佛大學物理碩士及博士,後轉往金融界,歷任巴黎銀行研究主管,瑞士聯合銀行經理,瑞士信託經理。

這位王孟源,不僅自己份內的高能物理不怎樣,更不用說隔行如隔山的電子電機了。
055上的海紅旗9B
具有反導能力
不過055並沒有安裝相關的探測與感知系統
因為現在的055不需要進行反導任務

等未來055的任務需要反導時
就會加裝上去

055的346B雷達
比052D的346A雷達還大

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另外
根據navyrecognition網站
找了兩位法國海軍退役人員作分析

艦橋上方的天線
看5、6兩點
應該是敵我辨識、搜索、導航雷達

不是C波段雷達

1:UHF/VHF發射天線或R-ESM攔截天線
2:UHF/VHF接收天線或R-ESM無線電定向天線
3:UHF天線或戰術數據鏈天線
4:X波段火控雷達。一個理想的位置,受到其他感測器干擾的風險很低
5:可能是敵我識別天線(IFF),大的可能是IFF,小的可能是LPI雷達、搜索雷達或導航雷達
6:一樣是LPI搜索或導航雷達
7:應該是干擾裝置,與兩門近迫武器系統(CIWS)搭配使用
8:346B型有源相控陣(AESA)雷達

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/focus-analysis/naval-technology/5374-analysis-sensor-and-electronic-warfare-suites-aboard-china-s-type-055-destroyer.html

Published: Friday, 07 July 2017 21:13

Focus - PLAN Type 055 Sensors

Analysis: Sensor and Electronic Warfare Suites Aboard China's Type 055 Destroyer

While official Chinese media have been quite reactive and open with the launched of the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN or Chinese Navy) first Type 055 Destroyer (they did publish official images of the ceremony just two hours after it took place), details on the specifications of the ship, especially its sensor suite, are still scarce. But with plenty of imagery of Type 055 sensors now available, Navy Recognition contacted two retired French Navy officers (a former frigate commander and a former electronic warfare specialist) in order to try and learn more about the PLAN's latest surface combatant's sensors.

This analysis based on open source intelligence (and mainly images) is limited because of the limited sources of images. All information here are hypotheses or "guesses" to the best of our sources' knowledge.

Our experts first underline that the sensor fit aboard the vessel is not complete yet. In the image above, you may notice that what is likely a TACAN (tactical air navigation system ) antenna fitted on top of the mast at the shore integration facility (right) is not present on the destroyer's actual mast (left). Some elements above the pilot house / bridge appear to be reinforced and are likely future placements for various sensors including an electro-optic s fire control system for the main gun. Navigation radar appear to be missing too. Note also that the 055 mast appear to be fitted with some kind of RCS reduction shields compared to the bare mast on the right.



Here is the detailed analysis by the experts we contacted:
1: UHF/VHF transmitters or R-ESM interceptor antenna
2: UHF/VHF receiver or R-ESM radio direction finding antenna
3: UHF antenna or possible Tactical Data Link
4: X-Band fire control radar for the missiles. For this role, the location is ideal (i.e nothing in its way, low risk of interference with other sensors).
5: This could be an IFF, however these antennas located above the bridge have different sizes. The large ones are likely linked to IFF roles but the smaller ones may well be LPI radars, surface (or combined) search radars or even the aforementioned "missing" navigation radars.
6: Same thing: Likely an LPI surface search or navigation radar antenna...
7: While many people on Chinese forums claim that these are L-Band radar arrays, but our experts really doubt those claims. "They may look like long range radar arrays, but they are most probably not radar array, even less so L-band ones. Such a low position, close to the waterline, would render such arrays very much ineffective". While still unusual, these arrays are probably jammers. Their locations are perfect to cover the entire flanks of the vessel. Plus they would work perfectly in conjunction with the two CIWS (HP/J-11 gun forward and HQ-10 missiles on top of the helicopter hangar).
8: Type 346B AESA Radar

Taking a closer look at the integrated mast: If the UHF/VHF antennas are located up-mast (as indicated in the side by side mast pictures), the R-ESM sensors may be fitted right above the X-Band radar (4). These two locations, so close to an X-band fire control radar may be prone to electromagnetic interference however. The small cylinder shape right above them is a jammer (the same type is already present aboard Type 052D destroyers at pretty much the same location). Finally the "Round Box" may house an antenna, an IFF system or simply the various connectors for all the systems fitted up the mast.


Last but not least, some more information on the Type 055's Type 346B AESA radar emerged. According to this source, the Type 055 is equipped with advanced active phased array radar with a larger diameter than the Type 346A radar fitted aboard the Type 052C class. One Type 346B radar array is larger than the 4.3x4.3 meter of the Type 346A arrays. The transmitter and receiver unit (is also using the latest Chinese gallium nitride (GaN) technology. Finally this new radar system is reportedly capable of fire control as well.


剛剛收到老友的訊息,在船側的那兩塊長方形天線,在原始設計中也是沒有的東西,因為它的厚度太厚了,厚到會影響該艦的隱身能力,如果它是原始設計中有的東西,哪應該是裝置在艦身的牆壁中,不應該突出這麼多,而且這個裝置後方的房間也會被嚴重影響到,因為雷達的訊號發射器與接收器必須裝置在他後面不遠! 再加上冷卻系統,整個軍艦會因為這四面東西而需要大改!

Charlie2020 wrote:
剛剛收到老友的訊息...(恕刪)


C大你居然認識江南造船廠船廠或者701所的老友吗
mangchaocs wrote:
C大你居然認識江南...(恕刪)


每一個政府或是軍隊都有對敵方武器研究的單位!! 你認識其中任何一位嗎?

要不要拿一些有料的來闡述你的立場!!
Charlie2020 wrote:
剛剛收到老友的訊息...(恕刪)

055是中國大陸第一型採取頂層設計,層層分解,設備研製必須符合任務書的船艦,增加一些原來沒有的東西是空穴來風

flyine wrote:
055是中國大陸第...(恕刪)


哪你就解釋一下這種把雷達"放"在艦橋頂的了不起設計為什麼不放在上面的整合桅杆建築中? 老共號稱的整合在那裏?
船兩側的四面陣列東西為什麼沒有嵌在牆面裡!!

你分明是甚麼都不懂只是不服氣,我們能一針見血的指出這艘大船上難堪的秘密!!

Charlie2020 wrote:
哪你就解釋一下這種...(恕刪)


你說對了,我什麼也不懂,懂的人也不會來這裡跟你解釋,這點保密意識還是有的,嘿嘿
Charlie2020 wrote:
每一個政府或是軍隊...(恕刪)


不好意思啊我不認為你說的“对敵方武器研究的單位”能掌握的信息會等於“武器研究單位”本身。

不過您也就是話止於此,畢竟讓您拿出詳細的信息來源也是不可能啊~所以用這個“單位”來強化自己貼文的所謂權威性也沒有必要,你只管繼續發文就好,至少這樣的文好歹是在分析,不像版面上某幾位那種太過明顯的酸,簡直無法直視。這是軍壇不是軍隊,講對講錯都無後果

Charlie2020 wrote:
那你有沒有看看052D,與伯克級的IFF再說這話你? 你可以想想別人會怎麼看你說的這些話再幫你打個分,呵呵呵!...(恕刪)



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