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願意賣台灣潛鑑的國家

SKY皇帝 wrote:
美國有要賣,用他們...(恕刪)


在美國防務新聞看到的消息:

洛克希德馬丁.雷神已經派團隊來台協助舊潛艦改造和幫忙規劃8艘新潛艦的方案


http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/land/weapons/2015/08/08/taiwan-taipei-aerospace-and-defense-technology-exhibition-tadte/31204209/


Exhibitor Increase Expected at Taipei Show

TAIPEI — A 27 percent increase in the number of exhibitors is expected at this year's biennial Taipei Aerospace and Defense Technology Exhibition (TADTE), although the foreign presence will decline, said Alvin Hu, a TADTE media representative.

In total, there will be 126 exhibitors and 694 booths, with foreign representatives from Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Sweden, United Kingdom and the United States at the Aug. 13-16 exhibition.

"This is the only exhibition in Taiwan that integrates civilian and military aerospace equipment and components, as well as national defense weaponry and related equipment in one show," Hu said.

Unmanned vehicles will be in the spotlight this year. For the first time, TADTE will have an Unmanned Area with 12 exhibitors (in comparison to only four in 2013). New product launches will include DWTEK's Investigator 90/Remotely Operated Underwater Robot; Geosat Aerospace Technology's High Accuracy UAV Orthophoto Systems; and Carbon Based Technology's Unmanned Aerial Mapping Systems.

There will be two unmanned vehicle conferences at the show: the Unmanned Aircraft Technology Development and the Latest Application Conference, and Application for UAS and FAA Regulations Conference.

Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense (MND) will have its own pavilion and MND's Chungshan Institute of Science and Technology is expected to showcase its Hsiung Feng 3 (Brave Wind) anti-ship cruise missile (dubbed the carrier killer), Tien Kung 3 (Sky Bow) air defense missile system and Tien Chien (Sky Sword) air-to-air defense missile system for the Air Force's Indigenous Defense Fighter aircraft.

There is also growth in other areas of the exhibition. The Chinese Association for General Aviation Development Area has jumped from zero to 14 exhibitors, and the Precision Machine Tool Area from zero to seven. The Taiwan Aerospace Industry Association Area has risen from three to 11.

However, there is a decline in foreign exhibitors. The international presence has dropped from 14 to nine since 2013. This year, TADTE lost Boeing, Raytheon and Sikorsky, with only one top-tier company exhibiting — Lockheed Martin.

Despite the lack of a strong US defense industry presence this year, US companies play a major role in Taiwan's defense modernization efforts. Lockheed is upgrading Taiwan's F-16 fighter fleet aircraft; recent helicopter sales include 30 Boeing AH-64 Apache attack helicopters ($2.53 billion) and 60 Sikorsky UH-60M Black Hawk utility helicopters ($3.1 billion) for the Army Aviation Command; Raytheon is delivering new Patriot PAC-3 and upgrading PAC-2 air defense missiles systems; Northrop Grumman will be providing the active electronically scanned array (the SABR) radars for the F-16 upgrade; and Raytheon continues to offer technical support for Taiwan's early warning radar program.

An announcement by the US is expected in the fourth quarter for the sale of eight to 10 MH-60R Seahawk anti-submarine warfare helicopters via the US Foreign Military Sales program to replace aging MD500 "Defender" helicopters.

Lockheed and Raytheon recently sent technical teams to inspect Taiwan's Dutch-built diesel attack submarines for a possible upgrade contract. Both companies are also interested in supplying products for Taiwan's planned Indigenous Defense Submarine build of four-to-eight diesel attack submarines, said a Taiwan defense analyst.

The Army has been stung by an MND decision to table its request for refurbished US-built M-1 Abrams tanks. The Army has requested refurbished M-1s for a decade now, according to a US defense industry source. Issues regarding weight and budget issues are described as the main hurdles.

The Army did attempt to reduce criticism of the purchase by changing its selection from the 68-ton M1A2 to the 60-ton M1A1 variant, and with a proposal to replace the turbine engines with diesels to save on fuel and reduce weight. Still, MND decided to forgo the procurement for the time being.

A common criticism of the tank purchase is related to Taiwan's geography, which consists of a mountainous interior and a low, wetland coastline, and many of Taiwan's bridges are incapable of handling the weight. Taiwan's current tanks are a mix of 50- to 52-ton M-48s and M-60s.

The lack of US exhibitors also reflects continued budget cuts by the US defense industry, according to another US defense industry source. Most deals are done through the Pentagon's Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program office and many of the companies try to keep a low profile in Taiwan due to objections by China, he said.

Companies like Boeing and Sikorsky participate in commercial manufacturing programs and direct commercial sales with China. This is why there are few direct military sales to Taiwan and almost everything is done via FMS, he said.


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http://dailynews.sina.com/bg/tw/twpolitics/phoenixtv/20150809/17536839542.html

2015年08月09日


美媒:美軍工巨頭派員赴台 助其自建8艘新型潛艇

  據美國《防務新聞》網站8日報導,兩年一屆的台北國際航空航天和國防工業展覽會(TADTE)將於8月13日至16日舉行,這一島內唯一軍民用航空航天産品及軍備展覽上,將展出大量台灣自主研發的武器。航天展媒體代表阿爾文·胡表示,參展商的數量將比前一屆增加27%。

  《防務新聞》報導稱,無人平台將成為本屆展會的焦點,不僅無人機展商將達到12家(2013年只有4家),而且新産品除了採用高解析度攝像系統的無人機外,還包括“調查者-90”遙控水下機器人等。同時,展會期間也會舉行兩場無人駕駛車輛技術研討會,以及無人飛行系統的使用法規交流會。

  台灣“國防部”將有自己的獨立展區。據相關人士透露,“國防部”下屬的“中科院”至少將帶來30項産品,主要包括被稱為航母殺手的“雄風-3”超音速反艦導彈、“天弓-3”防空反導系統、“天劍-2”中距空空導彈及其衍生型“海劍-2”中程艦空導彈等。其中小型裝備是用實品展示,大型設備和武器則以模型方式展示。

  盡管島內企業和研究機構表現得“生龍活虎”,但台灣在重大軍購項目上的對外依賴卻沒有絲毫降低。在台北航天展上,盡管外國參展商及國際業務顯著下降,像2013年台北航天展上來了美國波音、雷神和西科斯基公司,但今年只有洛克希德·馬丁公司來捧場,但外商壟斷台灣重大軍購訂單的局面沒有改變。

  《防務新聞》透露,美國有望在今年第四季度通過對外軍售模式(FMS)對台銷售8-10架MH-60R“海鷹”反潛直升機,以取代台軍老舊的MD500“防禦者”直升機。

  另外,洛·馬和雷神公司最近向台灣派出技術團隊,研究台軍現役兩艘荷蘭造“旗魚”級柴電潛艇的升級方案,兩家公司也准備協助台灣自建4-8艘潛艇。台軍未來還會陸續接收多項美軍二手武器,除了尚在交付中的P-3C反潛巡邏機,以及正執行接艦手續的二手“佩里”級護衛艦,未來還將購買大量翻新的M1A1主戰坦克。

  



河蟹买了块表 wrote:
在美國防務新聞看到...(恕刪)


翻譯這則新聞的真是夠天才:
>>兩家公司也准備協助台灣自建4-8艘潛艇

因為原文都這麼寫了:
>>Both companies are also interested in supplying products for Taiwan's planned Indigenous Defense Submarine build of four-to-eight diesel attack submarines, said a Taiwan defense analyst.

重點是這段話出自國內某國防專家之口,美國方面可沒正式表態。
台灣買潛艦目前根本不可能,,除美國外沒有敢賣的,注意我說的是沒有敢賣的。

lab2010 wrote:
台灣買潛艦目前根本...(恕刪)


日本敢吧~如果美國老大同意的話

pcgamer wrote:
翻譯這則新聞的真是...(恕刪)


會這麼分析有原因
五角大樓刪減大量國防預算美國那些軍火大頭都積極向外發展找訂單填補損失
雖然美國官方沒證實但也沒否認阻止國內軍火商來台展覽跟台灣軍方討論接洽
我覺得可能性很高
河蟹买了块表 wrote:
會這麼分析有原因 ...(恕刪)


我會這樣講,是因為美國政府不會同意讓軍火廠商自行出售軍火,相關裝備都是受到國務院嚴格管控,國務院沒有同意許可,軍火商就算是找到國外客戶,這筆買賣還是得取消。在台灣潛艇的案子討論到爛了,這麼多年來一大堆『對美國軍售台灣感到樂觀』、『極有可能同意出售』之類的新聞,結果都是放屁,每次都讓我們期望無比,換來的都是無比的失望,既然如此,那我不會把這類沒根據的消息當成一回事看待,我只相信美國政府部門發佈的新聞稿,既然是美國出售的,就是由美國官方正式發佈,那就絕對錯不了。

lab2010 wrote:
台灣買潛艦目前根本...(恕刪)


我有注意到你說的,但是台灣選擇的是自製並沒有要買
潛艦壓力殼跟動力系統採自製,聲納等高精密裝置從外國引進
你背後代表的強國要如何阻止呢?我蠻好奇的
呵呵
pcgamer wrote:
我會這樣講,是因為...(恕刪)


大大並非出售文中是討論幫忙台灣整合自建沒說出售. 美國沒柴潛生產線
至於相關設備會用零部件名義出口這難度不大~ 我們也是以自建為目標呀!
看到此情此景,

唉, 各位看官, 北極熊會賣潛艦給台灣嗎?

河蟹买了块表 wrote:
大大並非出售文中是...(恕刪)

你以為只是當做單純的『零部件』,出口難度就會低嗎?有去研究過美國國務院許可輸出的規範嗎?
美國軍火商也不想下半輩子改吃牢飯的。
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