共軍新型中遠程（超遠程？）空空彈亮相 (第16頁)

hausenhaifen
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2016-11-28 12:19

lutin111 wrote:
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%BF%9C%E5%BE%81%E7%B3%BB%E5%88%97%E4%B8%8A%E9%9D%A2%E7%BA%A7
其實重量後火箭發射能量有關,幾顆就更沒意義了...弄個像子母彈一次撒在同軌道....幾百幾千也可以...愈小功能愈少功率愈小

但有遠征這個東西....可以部署不同軌道...才是技術....(恕刪)

你還是沒跟我說一箭20顆衛星每顆衛星重量大概多少重 ?

如果查不出來那就算了吧 !

lutin111

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2016-11-28 12:59

此次長征六號火箭搭載有中國航天科技集團公司、國防科技大學、清華大學、浙江大學、哈爾濱工業大學等單位研制的開拓一號、希望二號、天拓三號、納星二號、皮星二號、紫丁香二號等20顆微小衛星，其中個頭最大的是中國航天科技集團公司的開拓一號衛星，約100公斤，最迷你的子星隻有幾十克，比一部小手機還小。
最大最小都有了,其它的什麼功能自己去查吧

JH_Shou

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2016-11-28 23:19

lutin111 wrote:
美國就是要當第一線...(恕刪)

沒經過戰場驗證的武器馬上換裝上第一線?

這是解放軍的作法不是美國..

我之前講過中國喜歡怎吹是一回事..
對美國來說過去長程飛彈並沒有令人滿意的命中率..

試問你怎會幻想實事求是的老美會想大量依賴這類武器?

你知道這類武器並不便宜如果效益不理想勝仗是會變成敗仗的 OK?

打仗是要精準計算的不是像中國一樣東風連打過海上移動目標都沒玩過
就可以宣稱這玩意是航母殺手... 萬一命中能力低落或是根本被攔下來
中國還要打仗嗎?

美國過去不是沒吃過這種虧像早期F-4搭載響尾蛇以為可以不帶機槍..
結果神奇新武器過不了關差點在越共底下吃了大虧 ...

美國現有的一線武器從沒有相當長時間驗證或實戰經驗就拿來大規模配發當主力的..
你算算看F-22從1993年試飛到部隊現役用了多少時間...

再看看同期或差不多同梯的 EF-2000 Rafale JAS-39...
你不覺得解放軍若非外星人上身就是荒唐得可笑?

lutin111

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2016-11-29 0:00

美國這種東西基本上相當於隱形智能自殺無人機，不用起降一次用應不貴，用飽和攻擊方法，打擊敵人艦隊，只是它是由轟炸機或船發射，我想防這種東西估計要像intel500架擺陣做成天雷，大型物体接近就爆炸。不然你跟本看不到敵人就全軍覆沒了

JH_Shou

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2016-11-29 21:49

lutin111 wrote:
美國這種東西基本上...(恕刪)

嗯...

飽和攻擊講得很簡單但一發沖天炮打不中..
並不表示100發就打得中..

如果數量可以當飯吃那麼中國只要準備10000枚東風..
就可以直接應付老美10艘航母了..

再怎樣1萬枚東風都比養十個航母戰鬥群便宜數倍甚至十數倍吧?
反過來想美國也早該在第一島鏈大量部署中程導彈擺個1萬枚..
中國海軍連出海都不可能... 其實現在的超音速及次音速反艦飛彈
對中國的封鎖效果大概就是這樣...

即便想搞飽和攻擊也要經長時間測試甚至戰場試驗
確知命中率大致可達到多少才可以拿來進行戰術運用..

別說老美的飛彈就算宣傳了快十年的東風我認為拿去真正戰術運用的價值都還早..
根本沒多少實測數據拿來打沖天炮浪費資源是嗎?

要記得你攻擊的是動態目標目前世上沒一款飛彈..
可以在長距離有高命中率的包括地海空海空空防空飛彈..
超過100KM 命中率就是等比級數下降包括那愛國者飛彈..

lutin111

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2016-11-29 22:43

JH_Shou wrote:
嗯...飽和攻擊 ...(恕刪)

中打反介入
美打(反)^2 介入
中..(反)^3 介入
美.....

piwu0536

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2016-11-30 9:37

JH_Shou wrote:
我之前講過中國喜歡怎吹是一回事..
對美國來說過去長程飛彈並沒有令人滿意的命中率..
...(恕刪)

其實隨著科技的進步 , 飛彈射程本來就是愈來愈長呀 !

以標準系列飛彈來說 , 從早期版本的40公里到標準二的150公里 , 最新的標準六射程則
可達370公里了 ....
不過可惜的是台海寬度是不會改變的 , 過去總覺得這一百五至兩百公里的天險足夠遙遠
, 但現在這種想法已經似乎有些鬆動 ... 所以說網上有些人不能接受新一代武器投射距離
愈來愈遠這個現實這也是可以理解就是了 ~~

abcd2016

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2016-11-30 10:28

中导条约被你吃了？
至于你对反舰弹道导弹的疑问嘛，现在谁也讲不清楚其中的技术细节，姑且不谈。
不过，航母能动，港口机场等一系列基础设施不能动啊。西太平洋的环境毕竟不是北约，老美能依托的军事基地并不多…

JH_Shou wrote:

嗯...

饱...(恕刪)

robin_ld

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2016-12-01 9:28

Read this article from The National Interest

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/chinas-mach-6-monster-air-air-missile-could-make-the-us-air-18536

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The Chinese military has apparently test-fired a new—and potentially powerful—very-long-range air-to-air missile. If reports are accurate, the new weapon could hit U.S. aircraft at twice the range at which the Americans can shoot back.

Images depicting the new missile under the wing of a Chinese air force J-16 fighter circulated in November 2016. The J-16 reportedly fired at least one of the missiles, successfully striking an aerial target.

China has developed air-to-air missiles at a pace at least as rapid as its development of fighter aircraft. The new very-long-range air-to-air missile, or VLRAAM, appeared suddenly. Foreign observers apparently don’t even know what the Chinese call the new munition.

Technical data on the missile is hard to come by, but the photos Beijing has allowed to leak do at least establish the weapon’s dimensions, which—along with a raft of publicly-available scientific research—hint at the missile’s capabilities. In the photos, the VLRAAM is clearly around a third the length of the J-16, giving the munition an overall length of around 20 feet and a diameter of roughly a foot.

In any event, the weapon is much more substantial than is the U.S. military’s own longest-range air-to-air missile, the AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile. The AMRAAM is just 12 feet long and seven inches in diameter. The latest version of the American missile, the AIM-120D, reportedly boasts a maximum range in excess of 90 miles.

The new Chinese munition closely matches the dimensions of Russia’s K-100 air-to-air missile, which has been in halting development for 25 years now but could, in theory, hit targets as far as 200 miles from the launching plane.

To achieve its apparent long range, the Chinese VLRAAM reportedly relies on a powerful rocket motor than can propel the munition at “hypersonic” speeds of up to Mach 6—half-again faster than the AIM-120D’s own top speed.

Launched by a fighter flying as high as 50,000 feet, the Chinese missile could climb to an altitude of around 100,000 feet and glide in the thin air for more than a hundred miles before descending to strike its target—this according to recent studies in Chinese scientific journals, which Popular Science helpfully pointed out.

Moreover, Beijing’s VLRAAM reportedly features an active electronically-scanned array seeker with optical back-up and mid-course satellite guidance—truly state of the art for an air-to-air missile. The AIM-120D makes do with an older-style, and less effective, mechanically-steered radar.

Of course, a very-long-range missile is useless in the absence of good targeting. Unless you’re willing to destroy every airplane within reach—whether they’re enemy warplanes, civilian passenger jets or even friendly forces—you need to identify opposing planes before attacking them.

The identification problem prevented the U.S. Navy from successfully deploying its own AIM-54 Phoenix long-range air-to-air missile in combat. The Navy retired the munition in 2004 in favor of cheaper and more practical AMRAAMs.

The Chinese military is apparently working on a solution to the identification problem, and has proposed building a targeting network around the high-flying Divine Eagle sensor drone. A Divine Eagle could pass targeting data to a VLRAAM-armed fighter—and potentially even to the missile itself, provided any operational version of the munition incorporates a datalink.

In concept, China’s potential sensor-shooter network is similar to the U.S. Navy’s own Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air network, which ties together various sensors platforms with fighters and ships firing AMRAAMs and sea-launched air-defense missiles. NIFC-CA first deployed with a carrier battle group in 2015.

While making huge strides when it comes to targeting, the U.S. military is falling behind in the advancement of air-launched munitions. The Pentagon has not yet begun developing a new long-range air-to-air missile to eventually replace the AIM-120D.

The Americans have a years-long head-start fielding a functional sensor-shooter network, but if the apparent November 2016 test-launch is any indication, the Chinese are way ahead when it comes to far-flying munitions that can take advantage of such networks.

piwu0536

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2016-12-01 9:58

robin_ld wrote:
Read this article from The National Interest...(恕刪)

速度六馬赫射程兩百英里 .... 這實在是比美國最新的AIM-120D(4馬赫 90英里)強非常

多呀 .....

以台灣的角度來說 , 應該很多人無法接受國家利益網站的這篇報導內容吧 ? 晚點版上

又有得吵了 ~