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美,已售ATACMS?台灣還有什麼隱藏武器?


剛剛在梅復興臉書看到這段,意思是台灣確實已經配備ATACMS?

雖然美臺雙方權威人士在過去這些年來都鄭重的否認美國曾出售ATACMS地對地飛彈給臺灣,且一般認知也確實很難想像美國會提供我們這種武器。但根據這篇2011年初的報導,當時美國防部長蓋玆在訪問北京時回答關於ATACMS的問題不僅承認了這項軍售,還說那是小布希政府2008年就批准的!! 

這不是羅生門,什麽才是羅生門!?
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Sino-US militaries seek to 'reduce miscalculation'
By Li Xiaokun and Cheng Guangjin (China Daily)
Updated: 2011-01-11 07:28

China reiterates opposition to US arms sales to island
BEIJING - China and the United States on Monday agreed to jointly reduce the risk of "miscalculation" between the two powerful armed forces, as they restore military ties frayed by a massive US arms deal to Taiwan a year ago.

Defense Minister Liang Guanglie, however, reiterated China's opposition to US arms sales to Taiwan, an issue which visiting US Defense Secretary Robert Gates sidestepped.

Liang and Gates, after a morning of talks, announced during a joint news conference at the headquarters of China's Central Military Commission that they agreed to explore ways to reduce "misunderstanding" and "miscalculation".

"We are in strong agreement that in order to reduce the chances of miscommunication, misunderstanding or miscalculation, it is important that our military-to-military ties are solid, consistent and not subject to shifting political winds," Gates told reporters.

Gates also invited the chief of the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) general staff to visit Washington in the first half of this year.

Liang said they had "agreed that sustained and reliable military-to-military contacts will help reduce misunderstanding and miscalculation".

Both sides should join hands in the spirit of "respect, mutual trust, equality and reciprocity" to ensure the healthy and steady development of the relationship, he added.

Liang said that Chief of General Staff of the PLA Chen Bingde will visit the US in the first half of 2011, adding that exchanges of high-level officials and between educational institutions will continue.

On US arms sales to Taiwan, Liang said they "severely damage China's core interests".

"China's position has been clear and consistent. We are against it," he told reporters.

"We do not want to see such things happen again. We do not want US weapon sales to Taiwan to further damage the relationship between China and the United States and the two nations' armed forces," Liang added.

Asked about reports that Taiwan is buying MGM140 ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile Systems) surface-to-surface missiles from the US, Gates said the missiles are just for defense use, and were approved in 2008 by the Bush administration.

Yet he admitted US arms deals to Taiwan had hurt relations.

The two defense chiefs also denied their governments are entering an arms race.

Liang admitted China had made progress in building its military might and had developed weapons to meet its sovereignty and security requirements.
But he said China's military technology lags far behind the world's most advanced armed forces and does not threaten any country.

China is still years behind US capabilities in radar-evading aircraft, and even by 2025 the US would still have far more of these aircraft than any other nation in the world, Gates said before arriving in Beijing.

He also explained that Washington's repeated joint exercises with Seoul in seas not far from China in 2010 and the current presence of three US aircraft carriers in that region is by no means targeted at Beijing but Pyongyang.

Major General Luo Yuan, with the PLA Academy of Military Sciences, said the MGM140 ATACMS missiles, with a maximum firing range of 300 km, are able to reach Chinese mainland coastal targets across the 170 km-wide Taiwan Straits.

"They are obviously offensive weapons in terms of their capability," said Luo.

He also said US arms sales to Taiwan violated its own promises to China.

The US pledged in a joint communiqu signed in 1982 that it will not pursue a long-term policy of arms sales to Taiwan, the scale of arms sales would not surpass the scale at the time when the two nations established formal diplomatic ties, and arms sales would be gradually decreased till the problem is finally solved.

"It has been 28 years since the communiqu was signed, but the US has yet to fulfil its commitments," said Luo.

Gates arrived in Beijing on Sunday evening. He also met Vice-Chairman of the Central Military Commission and Vice-President, Xi Jinping, on Monday.

Xi expressed the hope that military-to-military relations could move forward in a healthy and stable manner.

On Tuesday Gates will meet President Hu Jintao, who is scheduled to visit Washington later this month.

Tan Yingzi, Wang Chenyan, Xinhua and Reuters contributed to this story.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-01/11/content_11822433.htm
2016-11-03 20:59 發佈
據我所知這項軍火交易案應該是沒做成, 不然以陸軍的心態和作法的話M270 MLRS或者HIMARS早就成為我國陸軍的遠程火力投射主力而不是雷霆兩千火箭系統了, 而顆顆院也不會有什麼"星隼計畫/方案"之類的東東.

真正交易案有成的話, DSCA老早就會po相關公告出來了.
之前美國也批准賣台灣潛艦啊,

那台灣確實已經配備潛艦嗎?


老實說 , ATACMS的確是好東西 .

對於打擊個別敵方重要目標的精準度而言 , ATACMS並不遜於中國及其小老弟伊朗的短

程彈道飛彈及遠程火箭哩 ! 可惜 美國不可能賣 ....







piwu0536 wrote:
ATACMS具備與大...(恕刪)


請看英文內容,是說,已經賣了!

 he admitted US arms deals to Taiwan had hurt relations.

沒賣傷害什麼關係啊?
以國軍陸軍內一堆匪諜,合理推測,東西有賣,只是不在台灣,戰前會運交台灣,應該有管制人員接受秘密訓練。不說,應該是基於國務院的壓力。這種東西說太多對台灣沒好處不是嗎?
想像力豐富,砲校要成立班隊先自個軍團砲指部選人去接受語文學校訓練,然後回國要先建制戰術及保修教室,你當人員秘密訓練後硬體都不用建設嗎,不用教室跟後勤保修及模擬器教室空間規劃嗎?還秘密訓練咧,請問種子回來後回到建制嗎,訓練流路的班隊要不要招生,不然就那幾個種子教官真能操作武器嗎?
淡淡8989 wrote:
想像力豐富,砲校要成...(恕刪)


他說的又不是沒前例可循,之前不是有批AIM寄放在關島,老共抗議,風頭過了才偷偷運回台灣。

當然,你一定會說陸基的不一樣,我知道。

那個梅復興本身任職台海安全研究中心,是知道很多的人,會貼這篇就更有神秘色彩了。
淡淡8989 wrote:
想像力豐富,砲校要成...(恕刪)

嗯,不錯不錯。原文是買了,幹架多了一些行頭。
淡淡8989 wrote:
想像力豐富,砲校要成立班隊先自個軍團砲指部選人去接受語文學校訓練,然後回國要先建制戰術及保修教室,你當人員秘密訓練後硬體都不用建設嗎,不用教室跟後勤保修及模擬器教室空間規劃嗎?還秘密訓練咧,請問種子回來後回到建制嗎,訓練流路的班隊要不要招生,不然就那幾個種子教官真能操作武器嗎?


不是有笑話說砲校不是專出海南砲兵團?你是高層會把這種東西交給砲校嗎?不用保修啦,開戰前運回直接打個幾發裝有戰術核彈頭的搞不好就不打了。說不定是會說中文的華裔陸軍來操作。
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