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微軟:我佈這個WP7的局已經佈很久了,不小心被婊的就SORRY拉

微軟高級產品經理Sullivan公開說明 (轉自ptt 作者:Riyuberg)

微軟高級產品經理Sullivan公開承認啦,挑大意隨便翻

Microsoft knew Windows Phone 7 would be abandoned
微軟承認早就知道WP7將被遺棄

When Microsoft announced Windows Phone 8 two weeks ago, it did so with a
notable caveat: the new mobile operating system wouldn't be coming to current
Windows Phone devices. According to a new interview, the company knew early
in the development of Windows Phone 7 that current Windows Phone devices
would have short lifespans.

微軟早於WP7發展時就知道當前的系統僅擁有很短的生命週期。

This was known as development for Windows Phone 8 was done in parallel with
Windows Phone 7, since the company wanted to merge its mobile kernel with the
Windows NT kernel but didn't have the necessary time. While Windows Phone 7
will be getting an overhauled start screen, it won't be compatible with
applications developed for Windows Phone 8. Greg Sullivan, senior product
manager for Windows Phone, told CNET UK that Microsoft knew from the
beginning that Windows Phone 7 would eventually be abandoned and chose not to
tell its customers.

WP7與WP8是同時進行的,因為團隊早就想統一為NT核心,但時間不足。
微軟從一開始就知道WP7終將被廢棄,但選擇不告訴消費者。

Development for Windows Phone 8 even began before Windows Phone 7 was
released in some ways, Sullivan said.

甚至WP8的開發早於WP7發表之前。

"The team that developed the 7.5 release actually was working in parallel
with the core team that was already beginning [Windows Phone 8]," Sullivan
told the technology site. "In fact some of that work was already initiated
before Windows Phone 7 was even available – so this goes back a little bit."

WP7.5開發團隊與WP8核心團隊同時進行,某些部分甚至再WP7完成前就已啟動

Sullivan told CNET UK that unifying Microsoft's Windows kernel with its
Windows Phone kernel was "always the plan" and called the lack of
compatibility between Windows Phone 7 and Windows Phone 8 a "generational
shift." He then went on to add that Microsoft doesn't expect a similar
"generational shift" in the foreseeable future because of the design of the
new architecture. Windows Phone 7 devices will continue to receive support
and work with Microsoft's online services, such as SkyDrive and Xbox Live,
even though they won't be as tightly integrated with Microsoft's upcoming
Windows 8 operating system as Windows Phone 8 devices will be.

更換核心一直是微軟的計畫,因為不想在可預見的將來再做一次這樣核心更換
儘管無法與Win8高度整合,WP7仍將接受如skydrive與XBOX LIVE等服務

According to Sullivan, Microsoft chose to launch Windows Phone 7 knowing its
limited timeframe because it had to compete against Android and iOS
immediately. "It was important for us to establish this new approach in user
experience and begin to build the developer ecosystem," Sullivan said. "Those
are necessary but not sufficient steps to establish a new platform and we
didn't want to wait until [we were able to launch Windows Phone 8] to begin
that because we're maintaining those core characteristics of the platform."

WP7的推出是為了立即投入與阿婆及估狗的競爭,不能等到WP8平台出來再做

http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-knew-windows-phone-7-was-dead-on-arrival
2012-07-04 13:27 發佈
文章關鍵字 微軟 WP7
好想寫個

.......

如果這篇屬實,
這真的有點...
廢話少說啦,看看App市集的支援度還有WP7.8的底細再說....
這兩天也傳出MS正在測試一代機跑WP8...據說是可以跑,MS有點魄力好嗎?
就讓大家選擇看是要升WP7.8還是WP8...升上去之後如果會頓也是消費者自選的...
雖然市占率只有4%...也是要顧及大家的權益啊!

不是只有wp7.8 和wp8可以選啊
我們可以選iphone啊,微軟根本不在乎wp7的使用者,那麼死忠要作啥?
不是死忠,因為我買下去了...><"...
他如果善後做得好一點,我可以考慮再買WP...如果要硬幹,就跳哀鳳...

但我真的挺喜歡動態磚的Fu...還有WP的順暢及省電....
這哪有什麼好驚訝的
我在xbox上市時就已經知道Xbox360已經在開發了

我甚至還知道,HDMI1.1版時,我就知道會有1.2,1.3,1.4。。。。版了!
ty880336 wrote:
微軟高級產品經理Su...(恕刪)


作者: KengC (KengC) 看板: WindowsPhone
標題: Re: [新聞]微軟承諾可見將來都不會再有像WP8的大更新
時間: Wed Jul 4 01:29:10 2012

※ 引述《Riyuberg (protect)》之銘言:
: http://is.gd/nAzamX
: --
:
: 不好意思懶得逐段翻了。
:

我只說翻譯的話不要自己加油添醋也不要該講的忽略而斷章取義

: 前半段是在說WP8會有更多會場上沒提到的新功能,後半段則是在解釋WP7升級問題。
:
: 大意就是,為何當初沒有讓WP7機種搭配較好的硬體(多核支援)預留能夠升級的空間呢?因
: 為WP7作為2009年WM砍掉重練後的系統,沒時間搞那些當時已經出現的多核支援。他同時
: 認為這次WP8大改其實是他們一直想要做的,但不認為當時先讓WP上有何不對,因為當時
: 蘋果已經吃掉大半行動市場,估狗也展現了牽制的實力急起直追,微軟不能等。

"But why the change now rather than three years ago when Windows Phone 7 was
announced? Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't
think so."

記者問: "為什麼現在換核心而不是三年前公布 Windows Phone 7 的時候 Windows Phone
團隊是不是做了錯誤的決定?" 記者參照以下回答結論 : Sullivan 不覺得有錯誤

"We reset our mobile strategy in early 2009. And in late 2010 we delivered a
product based on that approach. We went back to the drawing board and
started over," he told us.

Sullivan答: "我們在 2009 年早期重新開始我們的隨身裝置的策略, 在 2010 年後期
我們根據新的策略發行一個產品. 我們回到製圖版重新開始過."

"We didn't start over from an architecture point of view, but we went
very 'low'. It did lots of things, but not what we have today with
Windows Phone 8.

Sullivan答: "我們沒有從系統架構上重新開始, 可是我們有改變非常低層的系統
那改變幫助了很多, 但還是不到今日 Windows Phone 8 的程度"

"We didn't [go with Windows architecture] because of a couple of dynamics
that made it infeasible to do that at the time. The first is that Windows
wasn't on ARM at that time. Could the phone team have down it? Yes I suppose,
but that work hadn't been done yet."

Sullivan答: "我們沒有 [使用 Windows 的系統架構] 因為當時有幾個不可行的要素
第一個是 Windows 沒有支援 ARM. Windows Phone 團隊可以寫得出來嗎?
我想是可以的但是那還沒被寫出來"

"The other reason is that the work we've done on Windows Phone 8 and the
processors are different in a meaningful way from the previous generation
or the ones that we are shipping on today.

Sullivan答: "另一個是 Windows Phone 8 上面的功能跟使用的中央處理器跟我們現在
販售的手機有相當程度的的差別"

"At a risk of over simplifying it, the work on the SOCs [phone processors]
today is hierarchy dominated by the modem chip and the apps processor is
secondary to it, in the next generation that relationship is reversed and
the apps processor is the boss."

Sullivan答: "最基本簡化的解釋, 現在的手機中央處理器的層次架構主要是數據機
其次應用程式處理器. 下一個世代這個層次架構則會相反變成
應用程式處理器是老大"

But perhaps more importantly for Microsoft, seeing that Apple's iPhone was
dominating the smartphone market, and Google's Android platform was starting
to get traction, Microsoft didn't want to wait any longer.

記者內心戲: "但是對微軟更重要的是看到蘋果的 iPhone 在智慧型手機市場上的主導地位
還有 Google 的 Android 平台開始受到接受. 微軟不能在等了"

"In 2009 it didn't seem a good idea to wait for multi-core processor support,"
Sullivan rationalised.

Sullivan答: "在 2009 年的時候, 等多核心處理器看起來不是一個好的主意"

:
: 言下之意就是在微軟的規劃中,WP7系列只是為了卡位的半成品,但他們不覺得有錯。以
: 市場策略來說或許無可厚非,但你WP推出時有跟消費者說清楚嗎?你跟消費者說是全新架
: 構,現在又改口間接承認那只是半成品所以沒辦法升級到WP8。最令人生氣的是他那句
: "Did the Windows Phone team make a mistake? Sullivan doesn't think so."
:
: 這樣還護航得下去嗎?

keepsecret wrote:
不是只有wp7.8 和wp8可以選啊
我們可以選iphone啊,微軟根本不在乎wp7的使用者,那麼死忠要作啥?

你嘛幫幫忙!最近大家會這麼在意現有手機能不能升級到WP8,就是因為手機剛買不久,不想馬上就要再花錢買新手機。對於願意換手機的人,無論是換成iPhone或WP8,應該都不會在意現有手機能不能升級吧!這跟死忠有什麼關係?真正死忠的支持者應該會等WP8一上市就馬上買吧!麻煩先搞清楚狀況再發言好嗎?

ty880336 wrote:
微軟高級產品經理Su...(恕刪)

已經不怎麼想去升級了...
還好nokia lumia 900還沒在台灣上市
不然....
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