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关于4700和X50V的问题。。。。头疼。。。

elhazard wrote:

4.419美金換算回來不過14000元台幣左右,



Just check Dell website. The price for X50V is $449.00. I don't recall it has been at $419.00. But it is only NT1,000 more..

You also need to buy the "Presentation Bundle" in order to to do VGA output, that is 79.00.

Total 449+79=528~ NT17,600
chaiopi wrote:
jeff641125 wrote:
4700 的螢幕真的是沒話說~~很漂亮~~
但是~4700 可是比 X50V 貴了不少呢~~~

就是因為貴了不少
所以iPAQ 4700才叫做商務人士頂級機種


我也認為所謂的"商務人士頂級機種"應該要有VGA-out的功能…
畢竟商務取向的話,美不美炫不炫是其次,
有沒有辦法提供便利的功能達到商務人士的需求才是重點呀!
(真正的商務人士應該沒有空去跟別人比誰的PDA比較美,誰的螢幕漂亮吧!)
VGA-out的功能對於商務人士或是甚至是一般的學生的幫助可是相當的大,
不然Toshiba也不用特地為了VGA-out出了個adapter了,
但是adapter畢境還是沒有接一條線方便吧!
不過我倒是對這些VGA-out的相容性比較有興趣,如果相容性高的話,實用性可說是相當的大!
hsuehchili wrote:
我也認為所謂的"商務人士頂級機種"應該要有VGA-out的功能…
畢竟商務取向的話,美不美炫不炫是其次,
有沒有辦法提供便利的功能達到商務人士的需求才是重點呀!
(真正的商務人士應該沒有空去跟別人比誰的PDA比較美,誰的螢幕漂亮吧!)
VGA-out的功能對於商務人士或是甚至是一般的學生的幫助可是相當的大,
不然Toshiba也不用特地為了VGA-out出了個adapter了,
但是adapter畢境還是沒有接一條線方便吧!
不過我倒是對這些VGA-out的相容性比較有興趣,如果相容性高的話,實用性可說是相當的大!


I has been in business before. I don't see much use of PDA with a VGA-out, at least for me. If I am going to give a presentation to a large audience, I will use my notebook. If I am going to see my clients, again, notebook is the best choice. So I don't see when you are going to need VGA-out.

However, I would like to point out that "show-off" is also very important in business. Just like playing golf, why business man would like to get Callaway or Hommer driver set? 美不美炫不炫 is important for "頂級商務人士" (CEO, CTO, CFO or VP) and I found out this especially is true in Taiwan.

Call me old-timer, I don't think student will need VGA-out either. I have been a graduate student and made countless presentation. Again, a notebook will do fine job. Remember you are a student not a business man. Using a PDA with VGA-out does not fit your "image" becuase you don't need to show-off unless your project is PDA with VGA-out.

These are just my honest opinions.

Kevin-K wrote:

其實關於4700的中文機
目前有個抱怨在

沒辦法完美的作成REAL-VGA
目前檯面上的3種方法有2種並不完全適用4700中文機
不是不能執行就是輸入鍵盤會出問題還有無線圖示會重複(SE-VGA)


我現在配合Monster SIP使用並不會有問題,
而用Monster KB 顯示提示列的時候佔用的空間會稍微大一點
對於原本機上內建的中文輸入法的螢幕鍵盤似乎會有問題
不過我也不確定, 因為我灌了Monster SIP以後就會把原本的中文輸入法Disable掉...XD
在最近一次hard reset重灌軟體是先Enable Real VGA 把原本的中文輸入法關掉之前才發現
似乎是有這個問題的

不過SE_VGA目前的顯示效果應該算是最好的了, 幾乎東西都乖乖的待在原位上
iPAQ Wireless設定視窗會亂掉應該只是設計上不夠好導致。
還有如果在Real VGA模式下用Wisbar Advanced 2的話轉橫式顯示以後
似乎會導致Wisbar程式hang住導致無法正常顯示
如果是非英文機要用Real VGA模式的話, 還有一個ozVGA可以用
不過由這套程式啟動的Real VGA在顯示上問題更多

Kevin-K wrote:
關於這點
英文機外掛中文就好多了(畢竟外掛中文好像有支援)
令我不禁想要再灌外掛中文,不過這樣覺得怪怪的
留待程式高手提出解決方法吧

中文機要灌外掛中文? 請三思阿
外掛中文的字體沒有原本的好看,顯示上也會有問題。
而且改掉或移除掉就會讓中文字全變成豆腐塊
如果沒有Tweaking軟體可以修正那就只能hard reset了

larrylo wrote:
I has been in business before. I don't see much use of PDA with a VGA-out, at least for me. If I am going to give a presentation to a large audience, I will use my notebook. If I am going to see my clients, again, notebook is the best choice. So I don't see when you are going to need VGA-out.

However, I would like to point out that "show-off" is also very important in business. Just like playing golf, why business man would like to get Callaway or Hommer driver set? 美不美炫不炫 is important for "頂級商務人士" (CEO, CTO, CFO or VP) and I found out this especially is true in Taiwan.

Call me old-timer, I don't think student will need VGA-out either. I have been a graduate student and made countless presentation. Again, a notebook will do fine job. Remember you are a student not a business man. Using a PDA with VGA-out does not fit your "image" becuase you don't need to show-off unless your project is PDA with VGA-out.

These are just my honest opinions.


I used a laptop for my presenation as well when I was a graduate student. However, I must say the time is different. If I had PDA with VGA-out at that time, I certainly would use PDA for my presentation. That's not so called "show-off" but just for convenient. It's the same reason for people to buy a mini laptop (sub-note). Everyone has his/her motivation to buy nice stuff. If you buy it just for showing off, it is fancy but useless for sure. If you buy it for its function and know how to use it, it will be a good tool. It's your choice to have your presentation with a laptop, a PDA or even just an ELMO, but that doesn't mean everybady has to do the same thing as what you do. You classmates and professors will never have any "formal images" that students should be since a student is not necessary to be only a student recently.
By the way, did you ever see any CEO,CFO of a company in Taiwan using a PDA? What they need would never be a PDA. They just need really secretaries actually...

I used a laptop for my presenation as well when I was a graduate student. However, I must say the time is different. If I had PDA with VGA-out at that time, I certainly would use PDA for my presentation. That's not so called "show-off" but just for convenient. It's the same reason for people to buy a mini laptop (sub-note). Everyone has his/her motivation to buy nice stuff. If you buy it just for showing off, it is fancy but useless for sure. If you buy it for its function and know how to use it, it will be a good tool. It's your choice to have your presentation with a laptop, a PDA or even just an ELMO, but that doesn't mean everybady has to do the same thing as what you do. You classmates and professors will never have any "formal images" that students should be since a student is not necessary to be only a student recently.
By the way, did you ever see any CEO,CFO of a company in Taiwan using a PDA? What they need would never be a PDA. They just need really secretaries actually...


Thanks for sharing your opinions.

Yes, that is I call show-off for CEO to just "own" one and not in fact use one, thsy just show they have it and do not use it. Exactly my point. Do you think they can improve their golf game with Callaway club? They owned them becuase other has too..

I think I stop here, it is off-topic. Sorry....

hsuehchili wrote:
我也認為所謂的"商務人士頂級機種"應該要有VGA-out的功能…

哎呦~~您誤會了啦
商務人士頂極機種又不是我發明出來的形容詞
而是販售的廣告都這麼寫的阿
怎麼大家都沒有會心一笑呢

其實我從頭到尾都沒有認為X50V的性能是不好的
只是以現階段採購PDA的規格而言
大家比較會在機子間注重的還是有無USB Host、WiFi 、藍芽 、Camera、螢幕大小以及是否為雙插槽、中文機等等這幾項,至於機子有無VGA Out的功能,則是大家不會特別去在意的。
相信X50V在國外會大受歡迎,並不是因為它有VGA Out的關係,而是它的價格/功能比相當不錯
如果X50V也能有中文機引進國內的話,無疑地,將會是一款競爭力非常好的機子。
相同地,Toshiba E830/E830W也是一樣的道理。
在台灣,因為沒得選擇,所以在高階PDA的這一等級上,也就只有讓iPAQ 4700一支獨秀了。

還有再來就是提一點額外話,就是大家不要再把機子的價格高看成是一種罪過了
機子的效能高,價格就會貴是沒錯
但是價格貴,並不全然是效能高所以才要賣這麼貴,這其中還包括了做工 、材料、質感等等
不可諱言的,X50V之所以會效能高卻還能賣得如此便宜,有很大的原因是這款機子大部份的地方都是採用塑膠機身,和iPAQ 4700的鎂鋁金屬機身相比,質感是相差甚多的
另外在工藝方面,iPAQ 4700也是要好上許多,還有螢幕大小...等等
這些都是造成兩者在價差上一點很重要的因素
所以囉~~不要再把機子的價格高不高當成是一種原罪
多花一點錢,若能少帶來一點使用上的麻煩或bug,至少我是很樂於這樣做的。
說實在的,我有一點後悔買了 4700。

4700 把玩至今,除了螢幕非常漂亮以外,我覺得有兩個很大的遺憾:
1. 軟體的相容性與表現是個很大的困擾~~姑且不論軟體,許多在 2210 上看起來很漂亮的圖案或字型,到了 4700 上產生了誇大的「鋸齒狀」,或許這些軟體在未來的三至六個月內會改善,但屆時是否有更便宜的機器與價格出現?
2. 其次是機子本身相當龐大~~平時將 2100 掛在腰帶上使用非常方便,而且 2100 小巧玲瓏的,把持起來很合手。但是 4700 是個新機器,周邊的皮套選擇性少之又少,況且握在手掌的感覺很像當年的 3600,很怕一個不小心機器就掉下來。或許在不久的將來會有更輕巧的機器與周邊配備出現,但絕對不是現在。

原本是有朋友相中我的 2210 才想轉而使用 4700 的,但我現在反而在觀望中,不敢將 2210 脫手。

Albert Einstein: Ich muss nicht alles wissen. Ich muss nur wissen, wo es steht.
由於私人緣故,刪除本篇文章。不好意思造成大家的困擾。
>北極熊熊 wrote:
>說實在的,我有一點後悔買了 4700。
>4700 把玩至今,除了螢幕非常漂亮以外,我覺得有兩個很大的遺憾:
>1. 軟體的相容性與表現是個很大的困擾~~姑且不論軟體,許多在 2210 上看起來很漂亮的圖
>案或字型,到了 4700 上產生了誇大的「鋸齒狀」,或許這些軟體在未來的三至六個月內會改
>,但屆時是否有更便宜的機器與價格出現?


以上我同意
畢竟目前VGA的軟體太少
相容性是個很大的困擾
但不是機子去將就軟體
而是軟體要將就機子
換言之
不是iPAQ 4700的屁股大,所以無法坐上椅子(軟體)
而是椅子(軟體)太小,讓iPAQ 4700無法坐下

>2. 其次是機子本身相當龐大~~平時將 2100 掛在腰帶上使用非常方便,而且 2100 小巧玲瓏
>的,把持起來很合手。但是 4700 是個新機器,周邊的皮套選擇性少之又少,況且握在手掌的感
>覺很像當年的 3600,很怕一個不小心機器就掉下來。


以上我不同意
因為機子體積大不大,相信在買之前您早就知道了,既然如此,何苦當初要買,事後再來抱怨。
同理,周邊的皮套選擇性少之又少,這也是新機都會有的過渡期。
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