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英文問題想請教!

最近正在讀冰雪奇緣的歌詞

關於for the first time in forever有幾個問題請教

"The window is open
so's that door
I didn't know they did that anymore
Who knew we owned eight thousand salad plates?"

其中I didn't know they did that anymore的anymore該怎麼解釋呢?

整句話該怎麼解讀比較正確?
2014-02-21 16:24 發佈
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GZAIZ wrote:
最近正在讀冰雪奇緣的...(恕刪)



anymore= 不再;再也不...了

整句應該是這樣的

我不知道(那時)它們已不再那樣做了..


供參考
GZAIZ wrote:
最近正在讀冰雪奇緣的...(恕刪)

窗戶開了,門也是
我都不知道他們還可以那樣做

因為窗戶跟門都長期被關著
所以當窗戶跟門再度被打開時
Anna才會說因為窗戶跟門已經被關上很久
讓她都忘了其實他們都還是可以打開的

Northernstar804 wrote:
窗戶開了,門也是我都...(恕刪)


對耶

這裡面的they應該是指門會比較通順!

這裡的anymore還是"再也不"的意思嗎?

The window is open這裡的is是做動詞嗎?

感激不盡


GZAIZ wrote:
對耶這裡面的they...(恕刪)


anymore大部分的意思是"再也不",但是這邊不是這個意思
舉例:They don't sell burgers anymore
他們再也不賣漢堡了

這邊anymore的意思是"還可以/還在"
舉例:I didn't know they sold burgers anymore
我已經忘了他們還有賣漢堡

is是動詞沒錯,is/am/are/be不管用在哪都是動詞
Northernstar804 wrote:
anymore大部分...(恕刪)


謝謝大大用心指導^^

so's that door

這句話大部分都翻作"門也是"

但我看不太出關聯@@

so的意思在這邊該怎麼用呢
GZAIZ wrote:
謝謝大大用心指導^^...(恕刪)

因為前面寫的是窗戶被打開了
所以後面就接門也是

門跟窗之前都是關著的
現在都被打開
"也是"這邊表示的是門也被打開了

so除了所以,也可以翻譯成"也"

你考了一百分,我也考了一百分
You got 100 on the exam. So did I.

A: I like to play video game.
我喜歡打電動
B: So do I.
我也是

Northernstar804 wrote:
因為前面寫的是窗戶被...(恕刪)


恩恩

so的用法滿廣的,常常侷限在其中幾個XD

大大知道kind of該怎麼解釋嗎?

常常看外國人再用,但變化似乎滿大的@@

Northernstar804 wrote:
窗戶開了,門也是
我都不知道他們還可以那樣做


第二句翻成"我不知道他們還會被打開(還有被打開的一天)"

既然是電影,翻譯就應該順著劇情優先,文法單字等等可以斟酌調整
三等公民 wrote:
第二句翻成"我不知道... 既然是電影,翻譯就應該順著劇情優先,文法單字等等可以斟酌調整(恕刪)


很贊成這句"既然是電影,翻譯就應該順著劇情優先,文法單字等等可以斟酌調整"。

本人學習英文的經驗是,學嚴謹的文法不要跟歌詞,因為編寫歌詞的時候,往往為了遷就音樂和押韻,倒置,省略主語/賓語,加入大量不必要的助詞,連接詞之類的情況,比比皆是。

舉例來說,首三句歌詞,如果獨立來看,其實是有點奇怪的,我文法水平不高,不曉得如何解釋,不過借引英文句子寫作有所謂"對稱"一項試試類推說明。

The window is open, so's that door
I didn't know they did that anymore

The window is open - open 是 adjective, is 是 verb to be
they did - did 是 verb

明顯一點,如果轉換成
Tom "is" (good), so's Mary
I don't know they "do" - 肯定是有問題的
只可以說成 I don't know they "are" (good)

而且,就語意邏輯入手, window 及 door 都是死物,只可以被人打開,不能自己打開自己,如果 open 是作動詞用,應說成 They opened the window (active voice), 或是 The window was opened (passive voice);如是者,I didn't know they did that anymore, "they did" 中的 did 如果是對稱前句的 open, 則出現一個問題,did is verb, open is adjective;如果 they 指 window + door (不可能單指 window 或 單指 door, 因為這兩個都是 singular, they 是 plural),did 是動詞 (active voice), 門窗又怎能自己打開? "that"在這裡又是否多餘呢? 於是我便猜想 they 可能是指 "某些人"。由於我之前未看過這個劇集,心中便充滿迷團。之後在網絡上找到以後的歌詞 "Finally they're opening up the gates",正好對應 "I didn't know they did that anymore",我便更肯定這個 they 是人稱,不是門窗。而且,"they did that anymore" 中的 "they" 也正好和應下句 "who knew" 中的 "who"。

The window is open, so's that door
I didn't know they did that anymore
Who knew we owned eight thousand salad plates?
For years I've roamed these empty halls
Why have a ballroom with no balls?
Finally they're opening up the gates
There'll be actual real live people
It'll be totally strange

另外,就時式來看, The window is open, so's that door; I didn't know they did that anymore 中的 they 如果是指門窗的話,也是有少許問題的。window is open - present tense, they "did" - past tense。主角在唱這幾句歌時,門窗是在打開了的狀態的,下句用 present tense 也可以呀,為什麼要轉為 past tense? 豈不是多此一舉? 

過去教我中文的位老師曾經說過,學習語言,其實也是學習邏輯思維,不能只單純專注於文法上。

聽歌學英文,我覺得最大的成效有三方面。1)較容易記得更多生詞;2)潛移默化下,學會押韻 (door/anymore; plates/gates, halls/balls);3)文句書寫的節奏感更強,長短句交雜運用毫不費勁。The window is open / so's that door / I didn't know they did that anymore / Who knew / we owned eight thousand salad plates? / For years / I've roamed these empty halls / Why have a ballroom with no balls? /Finally they're opening up the gates / There'll be actual real live people。用來磨練文法,未必得宜。例如, For years I've roamed these empty halls - 根據正統文法,主語正常情況下應該置前,即是 I've roamed these empty halls for years. 一旦如此修改,Who knew / For years 的節奏效果便會失去,下句 halls/balls 的押韻亦不復存在。

純粹個人觀感,文法分析如有錯失,還望包容。
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