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威士忌高校

fattt wrote:
我的經驗更糟.......(恕刪)


我的經驗比較好一點......

有次天氣太熱了,和朋友到海產攤,想說喝杯啤酒應不錯,

結果,看到酒促小姐..........



連啤酒都沒看到,小弟就暈了......................


















歹勢,這幾天學校有點放暑假的感覺,我是來亂的....希望fattt大大不要介意
龜山島主 wrote:
看來大家都熱昏了.....(恕刪)

有時候一個小團體,藏酒交流一下,可以多喝到很多不同的品項.
不然單靠自己,太吃力了.
大家不妨找品飲習慣比較相近的,或者是購買方式比較相似的,互相多連絡.真的比一個人閉門造車或是埋頭苦幹來的好.
關於威士忌加水不加水這樣的話題,有篇國外的討論,轉貼給各位參考.
我本來想問龜山島主一些化學的相關問題,裡面也有討論到,
參考看看~資料轉載自~http://blog.khymos.org/2007/06/03/new-perspectives-on-whisky-and-water/
(有沒有哪位人肉翻譯機要幫忙英翻中?)
Among dedicated whisky/whiskey drinkers it is customary to add a little water as this “helps to unlock and release the esters, or flavours, from the fats”. Another site claims that dilution helps “breaking down the ester chains and freeing the volatile aromatics”. Does this make sense from a chemical perspective?

When Erik posted me a question some months ago about why we add water to whisky and the chemistry that is involved, I started to speculate about possible mechanisms and discussed them with Erik. Perhaps the most obvious effect is that the alcohol concentration is lowered. High alcohol concentrations anaesthetises the nose and sears the tongue (as the site metioned above correctly states). This is especially true for cask strength whisky which can exceed 60% ethanol. We considered the possibility of a temperature effect. The obvious effect could be achieved by adding water with a different temperature to either cool or warm the whisky. The less obvious effect could be due to a possible release of heat when adding water to a concentrated ethanol solution. Having thought about the different possibilities I did a search and found a very fascinating article: “Release of distillate flavour compounds in Scotch malt whisky”. It was published in 1999, but was new to me and gave me some totally new perspectives on whisky and water. When reading the article, it seems to me that the motivation for adding water to whisky is in fact to mask some aromas and release others!

Malt whisky contains high concentrations of esters and alcohols with long hydrocarbon chains. When water is added, the solubility of these esters and alcohols decreases, and a supersaturated solution results. In extreme cases, the decreased solubility of fat-soluble, volatile organic compounds can lead to clouding due to precipitation of small droplets as seen with anise/liquorise liqours such as Pastis, Pernod, Arak, Raki, Sambuca, Ouzo… (I think I’ll post about that later some time). This can also occur with whiskys that haven’t been chill-filtered. But even in whisky that has been filtered at low temperature a form of “invisible” clouding will occur. The excess of esters and alcohols in the diluted whisky form aggregates (or micelles) which can incorporate esters, alcohols and aldehydes with shorter hydrocarbon chains. Once these compounds are trapped in the aggregates, surrounded by longer chain esters and alcohols, they smell much less since they have a harder time escaping from the liquid! Fortunately, some of the compounds that are trapped have less desireable aromas described as oily, soapy and grassy.

The presence of wood extracts originating from the aging in oak barrels also influences aroma release. One effect is that wood extracts displace hydrophobic (fat soluble) compounds from the surface layer of the whisky (this effect is significant at room temperature when smelling the whisky, less so at 37 °C in your mouth). Furthermore the presence of wood extracts increases the incorporation of hydrophobic compounds into the agglomerates mentioned above.



So far I’ve only discussed the aggregates formed by long chain esters. But studies have shown that when an aqueous solution contains more than 20% ethanol, the ethanol molecules aggregate to form micelles, just like the long chain esters do. These micelles can also trap flavour compounds. Unlike the micelles formed by the long chain esters however, the ethanol micelles break up when diluting the whisky, thus releaseing the entrapped flavour compounds. It is interesting to note that ethanol is less “soluble” in water at high temperatures (ie. the solution is no longer monodisperse). As a consequence, serving whisky “on the rocks” will actually promote the release of flavour compounds from the ethanol micelles. As Mirko Junge commented below, this is one of the very few cases where cooling actually enhances flavour! But the wood extracts found in whisky matured in oak casks supports the formation of ethanol micelles, so as Mirko Junge points out, matured whisky needs more dilution and/or cooling since there are more ethanol micelles.



The over-all effect is a fractionation of volatile compounds upon dilution with water: water insoluble compounds are concentrated in the aggregates (or micelles) of long chain esters, water soluble compounds remain in solution and compounds (probably those which are slightly soluble in water) that were originally trapped in ethanol micelles are liberated.

So after all, the popular notion that addition of water “opens up” the aroma of a whisky is true, but who would have thought that the effect is a combination of “masking” (inclusion of some arome compounds in long chain ester micelles) and “demasking” (opening up of ethanol micelles) and that there even is a temperature effect?


Serving whisky “on the rocks” helps break down ethanol micelles due to the combined effect of cooling and dilution. (Photo by Generation X-Ray at flickr.com)

Feel free to share your experiences with whisky dilution in the comments section below!

(Note: The text has been revised and expanded on June 3rd following the discussion below. Special thanks to Mirko Junge for his valuable comments and for pointing out the importance of the ethanol micelles.)
tcwin wrote:
結果,看到酒促小姐..........

連啤酒都沒看到,小弟就暈了..........................(恕刪)

暈都暈了,沒來張酒促小姐的照片還真讓人十分介意啊。


哈哈,曾大客氣啦,叫我小周就好
小弟也是趁放暑假上來插科打混一下,正牌的好酒分享還得靠您呢。



龜山島主 wrote:
看來大家都熱昏了.....(恕刪)


島主開的酒單都是一時之選呢!

有些朋友同事想買好一點的酒,
(對他們而言1500就是上限了)

我大概也都推上面那幾支喔!


35牌的我沒喝過...最近肝很忙...
Louis大,請問Talisker30y2007和2009年有何差別?
最近這兩天課堂上真的有些冷,大伙好像都沒什麼勁.

剛剛去逛了有9的友站,發現友站的同好應也是悶到爆,玩起來 蘭地套威士忌 的遊戲,
有WHISKY + BRANDY = WHISDY 此種新喝法就叫 威士帝?
也有BRANDY+ WHISKY = BRANKY 改成白蘭基?

這不禁讓小弟聯想到有回造訪彰化施兄時,他也利用不同的威十忌調配出風味絕佳的特調好酒!
當然,這對正統學院派來說,應是離經叛道之事,但閒著也是閒著,套套看說不定別有番味,
小弟這周回中部,要是有時間,也來套套看!

不知那位同學有這方面的經驗,可否上來分享一下!
(記得校長好像也發表過雪莉+泥味的威士忌)
roadmaster wrote:
Louis大,請問T...(恕刪)


2007那瓶已有特定口碑,很有水準的一瓶30yo.
2009這瓶是今年的新品,市面上剛鋪貨,不曉得更勝2007,還是稍微遜一點,還不曉得.
下星期我有機會喝到2009這瓶,喝到後在來分享一下看法.用猜的~應該很好.至少現在看到的賣價還算公道.
最近天氣炎熱..
幾乎都改喝啤酒去了..
消暑涼品..
這幾天天氣熱度達到今年的峰值,氣象臺都發了高溫警報,烈酒喝不下,版上也很冷清
值得高興的是,代購的事情有了眉目,月底可以喝到拉加維林16和烏嘎嗲了。
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