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請問IPHONE 6 和PHONE6 PLUS到底有什麼厲害的地方 A8處理器分析和電池分析

natsux wrote: 你自己提到的那些企業都是面臨營收困境 ...(恕刪)


是啊,intel市值怎麼被高通給超越,他還是一間公司有起伏,當行動市場搞到pc大幅衰退,難說的很。

natsux wrote: 你自己提到的那些企業都是面臨營收困境 ...(恕刪)


所以只準Intel 買別家公司,自己就不行被買,還真是兩套標準,10幾年前,有誰會相信微軟買Nokia.

不予置評,自己好好想想


強尼戴 wrote:
所以只準Intel ...(恕刪)
natsux wrote: 不予置評,自己好好想想

世事難料回答你,
有誰會相信1997,apple 快跨到今日,別神話Intel.

這裡只有果粉在神話APPLE


強尼戴 wrote:
世事難料回答你,有誰...(恕刪)
natsux wrote: 這裡只有果粉在神話APPLE

是啊,果粉果黑都很神話和很愛黑,
對了我用zenfone 6.
如果都是跑一樣的OS+APP
當然是CPU+GPU越快RAM越大的機子跑的越快
所以各家Android會這樣比
也從來不會有什麼爭議

但是
這不適用於Android跟iOS來比
就算是同樣名稱同樣畫面的APP
寫法也不同,甚至寫的人都可能不一樣
還是沒法公平的比較

以我用Andriod兩年iOS一年的感覺
就純粹以使用者的角度來看
iOS會讓一般人感覺比較親切一些
(或許工程師有相反意見吧)

估計這次因為螢幕大小問題而跳走的使用者
又會回籠了

skchen wrote:
如果都是跑一樣的OS...(恕刪)


GeekBench3 是測是存硬體的效能 整數運算 浮點運算 還有記憶體頻寬等等

GB3同樣的硬體在3個平台的跑分都差不多

不管是MAC PC 和安卓 IOS

例如I7 4770 在PC是1萬4000分在MAC也差不多

你也可以去資料庫看平板在WIN8和安卓下的分數 ATOM 3770 大約都是3000分

所以可以完全忽略平台的差異

因為GB3的測試項目是純硬體

還有IPC也是在講硬體的微架構每時脈周期能處理多少條指令

這是可以比較的 不然MIPS是做甚麼用的單位?




With their iPhone keynote behind them, Apple has begun updating some of their developer documentation for iOS to account for the new phone. This of course is always a fun time for tech punditry, as those updates will often include information on the hardware differences in the platform, and explain to developers the various features that different generations of hardware can offer developers.

To that end we have compiled a short analysis of the A8 SoC based on these documents and other sources. And we believe that at this point we have a solid idea of the configuration of Apple's latest SoC.
Apple SoC Specifications
Apple A6 Apple A7 Apple A8
CPU Swift @ 1.3GHz(x2) Cyclone @ 1.3GHz (x2) Enhanced Cyclone @ 1.4GHz (x2)?
GPU PVR SGX543MP3 PVR G6430 PVR GX6650
RAM 1GB LPDDR2 1GB LPDDR3 1GB LPDDR3?

A8』s GPU: Imagination PowerVR Series6XT GX6650

On the GPU front this year appears to be especially bountiful. After being tipped to an update for Apple's Metal Programming Guide, we can now infer with near certainty that we know what the A8 GPU is.

New to this edition of the Metal Programming Guide is a so-called iOS_GPUFamily2, which joins the existing iOS_GPUFamily1. We already know that the iOS_GPUFamily1 is based around Imagination's PowerVR Series 6 G6430 GPU, so the real question is what does iOS_GPUFamily2 do that requires a separate family? The answer as it turns out is ASTC, the next generation texture compression format is being adopted by GPU vendors over the next year or so.

Imagination's PowerVR Series6 family of GPUs predates ASTC and as a result iOS_GPUFamily1 does not support it. However we know that Imagination added support for it in their Series6XT designs, which were announced at CES 2014. Coupled with the fact that Apple's documentation supports the idea that all of their GPUs are still TDBR (and thus PowerVR), this means that the GPU in the A8 must be a Series6XT GPU in order for ASTC support to be present.

This leaves the question of which of Imagination's 4 Series6XT Apple is using. Imagination offers a pair of 2 core designs, a 4 core design (GX6450), and a 6 core design (GX6650). Considering that Apple was already using a 4 core design in A7, we can safely rule out the 2 core designs. That leaves us with GX6450 and GX6650, and to further select between those options we turn to Apple's A8 performance estimates.
Apple SoC Evolution
CPU Perf GPU Perf Die Size Transistors Process
A5 ~13x ~20x 122m2 <1B 45nm
A6 ~26x ~34x 97mm2 <1B 32nm
A7 40x 56x 102mm2 >1B 28nm
A8 50x 84x 89mm2 ~2B 20nm

A8 is said to offer 84x the GPU performance of the iPhone 1, while last year Apple stated that the A7 offered 56x the iPhone 1』s performance. As a result we can accurately infer that the A8 must be 1.5x faster than the A7, a nice round number that makes it easier to determine with GPU Apple is using. Given Apple's conservative stance on clockspeeds for power purposes and the die space gains from the 20nm process, accounting for a 50% performance upgrade is easily done by replacing a 4 core G6430 with the 6 core GX6650. At equal clockspeeds the GX6650 should be 50% faster on paper (matching Apple's paper numbers), leading us to strongly believe that the A8 is utilizing a PowerVR Series6XT GX6650 GPU.

Once the iPhone 6 is out and Chipworks can photograph the SoC, this should be easy to confirm. If Apple is using a GX6650 then the die size of the GPU portion of the A8 should be very similar to the die size of the GPU portion of the A7. Otherwise if it is the 4 core GX6450, then Apple should see significant die size savings from using a 20nm fabrication process.
A8』s CPU: A Tweaked Cyclone?

Though we typically avoid rumors and leaks due to their high unreliability, after today's presentation by Apple we have just enough information on A8』s CPU performance to go through the leak pile and start picking at leak. From that pile there is one leak in particular that catches our eye due to the fact that it matches Apple's own statements.

On Monday night a supposed Geekbench 3 score of the iPhone 6 was posted. In this leak the iPhone 6 was listed as having a single-core score of 1633 points and a multi-core score of 2920 points. Curiously, these values are almost exactly 25% greater than the Geekbench 3 scores for the iPhone 5S (A7), which are 1305 points and 2347 points respectively.

The fact that ties all of this data together is that in their iPhone 6 presentation, Apple informed viewers that the iPhone 6 is 25% faster than the iPhone 5S. This data was later backed up with their latest CPU performance graph, which put the iPhone 6 at a score of 50x versus a score of 40x for the iPhone 5S.

Given Apple's data, it looks increasingly likely that the leaked Geekbench 3 results for the iPhone 6 are in fact legitimate. The data leaked matches Apple's own performance estimates, and in fact does so very well.

In which case we can infer a couple of points about the A8』s CPU, starting with the clockspeed. Given no other reason to doubt this data at the moment and given Apple's preference for low clocked SoCs, the 1.4GHz reading appears legitimate. In which case this would be a 100MHz increase over the 1.3GHz A7 found in the iPhone 5S.

However the fact that it's a 100MHz increase also means that clockspeeds alone cannot account for the full 25% performance gain that Apple is promoting and that these Geekbench results are reporting, as 1.4GHz is only a roughly 8% clockspeed increase over 1.3GHz. This in turn means that there must be more going on under the hood to improve the A8』s CPU performance other than clockspeed alone, which rules out a straight-up reuse of Apple's Cyclone CPU.

Since Apple already had a solid ARMv8 architecture with Cyclone, there's no reason to believe that they have thrown out Cyclone so soon. However this does strongly suggest that Apple has made some unknown revisions to Cyclone to further boost its single-threaded (Instruction Level Parallelism) performance. What those tweaks are remain to be seen as we would need to be able to benchmark the A8 in depth to even try to determine what Apple has changed, but for the moment it looks like we're looking at an enhanced or otherwise significantly optimized version of Cyclone. And given Apple's already high ILP, squeezing out another 16% or so would be a significant accomplishment at this time, especially for only a year's turnaround.
1GB of RAM

Last but not least, the apparent validity of the Geekbench 3 leak means that one last piece of information on the A8 can apparently be confirmed: the earlier rumors about it being paired with 1GB of RAM are true. Unfortunately Apple's official product image of the A8 is of no help here – it's clearly a doctored version of the A7 image based on the product numbers attached – but this information is consistentwith earlier rumors based on leaked images of the real A8, which had also suggested the SoC contained 1GB of RAM. Again this is based on what we believe is a sound assumption that the Geekbench 3 leak is accurate since it so closely matches Apple's own CPU performance estimates, but at this point we don't have any substantial reason to doubt the data.


Image Courtesy Macrumors

The good news is that this is going to be the easiest aspect of the iPhone 6 to confirm, since diagnostic apps will be able to query the phone for the RAM amount. So one way or another we should know for sure come September 19th.
就算明年高通出ARM Cortex-A57 的S810 CPU

IPC也只有5 MIPS/Mhz=5 還比不上蘋果兩年前推出的A7 免強可以贏過A6

CPU微架構還沒上市就已經落後了蘋果2年的技術............


大家可以看看這張表

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