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Apple Pay 比 Google Wallet 厲害之處


shouea wrote:
喔,從這個角度來看的...(恕刪)


下面的資訊有提到,95%的西歐商家已經配備可以收晶片卡,而在美國只有14%的商家可以收晶片卡,美國的銀行也懶得因為成本換新卡給消費者,雞生蛋蛋生雞。iPhone搭配了EMV token就是EMVCo的馬前卒,誘使店家換裝讀卡機。

另外,2015年10月,發卡銀行與店家有個liability shift,沒有晶片的一方,將承擔較高的盜刷風險成本,也是其中一個催化劑來督促兩端採用EMV規格。EMV Co的目標是將美國的晶片信用卡在 2015年發行到480M。

搭配著這樣子的背景,就可以很清楚EMVCo與銀行間會多麼用力拱iPhone6跟ApplePay了....

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The rest of the world has migrated to EMV payment technology. Currently, there are 1.2 billion debit, credit and pre-paid cards in the U.S. but only two to three percent are EMV cards.

Nearly 95% of payment terminals in Western Europe accept EMV cards. But in the U.S., just 14% of the 11.8 million terminals in operation are EMV-compatible, putting the U.S. last in EMV adoption and at the greatest risk for fraud for criminals to conduct fraudulent point of sale payment card activity.

MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE AFFECTED BY CREDIT AND DEBIT CARD FRAUD AND THE RECENT DATA BREACHES HAVE HEIGHTENED THE NEED FOR MORE SECURITY.

The 2013 Federal Reserve Payments Study reported that in 2012, $2.1 billion – or 57 percent – of total credit card fraud was committed through card-present transactions like counterfeiting, lost or stolen cards, mail fraud and identity theft.

In 2013, the U.S. alone accounted for 51% of worldwide payment card fraud costs.
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AppleDesign wrote:
2015年10月,發卡銀行與店家有個liability shift,沒有晶片的一方,將承擔較高的盜刷風險成本,也是其中一個催化劑來督促兩端採用EMV規格。EMV Co的目標是將美國的晶片信用卡在 2015年發行到480M。
搭配著這樣子的背景,就可以很清楚EMVCo與銀行間會多麼用力拱iPhone6跟ApplePay了....


美國是 2015年10月,
中國是 2015年1月1日 要轉換到 晶片卡

所以未來這一、二年,美國、中國都是大轉換
apple pay 在這個時間點上線,也算是趕上風潮
因為很多店家都是直接換機,換成 contact & contactless 都有的機器

  2015年银行卡全面“换芯”
  《意见》就金融IC卡受理环境改造、商业银行发行金融IC卡提出了时间表。在受理环境改造方面,在2011年6月底前直联POS(销售点终端)能够受理金融IC卡,全国性商业银行布放的间联POS、ATM(自动柜员机)的受理金融IC卡的时间分别为2011年底、2012年底前,2013年起实现所有受理银行卡的联网通用终端都能够受理金融IC卡。
  在商业银行发行金融IC卡方面,2011年6月底前中国工商银行、中国农业银行、中国银行、交通银行、中国建设银行和招商银行、邮政储蓄银行应开始发行金融IC卡,2013年1月1日起全国性商业银行均应开始发行金融IC卡,2015年1月1日起在经济发达地区和重点合作行业领域,商业银行发行的、以人民币为结算账户的银行卡均应为金融IC卡。
人生就該好好的玩 !
AppleDesign wrote:
下面的資訊有提到,9...(恕刪)
你引用的資訊指的是接觸式的,我只能說你的推論有其道理,但是跟實際發生的不見得相同。

只能接受磁條卡的POS仍然可以加裝非接觸式讀卡機來接受Apple Pay,當然這非EMVco所樂見,但是不代表他們真的有能力push美國的銀行大量換發晶片卡以及換用可接受晶片卡的終端機。

EMVco裡面是由各authorities分派高層就任的,目前主席同時也是MasterCard的高層。對MasterCard、VISA來說換發晶片卡並不會增加他們的利潤,就算用磁條卡交易他們也抽一樣趴數,有詐騙盜刷等等,損失的也是銀行,所以我認同你說的,但是對於發生的可能性和時機則持保留態度。
shouea wrote:
你引用的資訊指的是接...(恕刪)


如果美國不挺蘋果,誰會相信,多個設備多個故障點。
FMZ wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HufVid7X3uA
跟shouea兄分享 不知Bell ID他們使用怎樣的技術
裏面有提到用他們的solution並不需要網路
昨晚收到回信了,我直接把我的問題(黑字)跟他們的回答(藍字)貼在下面

Hi, I'd like to know that how do you deal with the offline payment when the Android device is rooted? Even a pre-authorised client application can't stop the superuser from retrieve the token data stored in the device.


We always assume there is a possibility that the device can be rooted. We have mechanisms in place for the SE in the Cloud SDK/Plug-In to detect if a device is rooted. Our clients use this SDK to integrate an HCE solution in their wallet or mobile banking app. The wallet typically contains security measures to detect rooting, that is ultimately the responsibility of the wallet owner or their vendor.. However, in case the system is rooted.. We use Whitebox Cryptography and hardware security mechanisms which cannot be bypassed by rooting, such as TrustZone technology. Using these mechanisms, and in combination with the tokens on the device having a limited life, we believe that the likelihood of a malicious attack being quick enough to gain access to unexpired tokens. Note also that each token is only good for one transaction. Gaining access to one provides access to one transaction within contactless spend limits and does not compromise the account.
shouea wrote:
We use Whitebox Cryptography and hardware security mechanisms which cannot be bypassed by rooting, such as TrustZone technology. ...(恕刪)


所以看起來要有hardware配合的限定機種才行.....

AppleDesign wrote:
而多佈建讀卡機,不正是有助於銀行發行EMV晶片信用卡而非磁條信用卡,改發行晶片信用卡,不正是美國地區的銀行需要被用力改善的嗎?...(恕刪)


AppleDesign wrote:
下面的資訊有提到,95%的西歐商家已經配備可以收晶片卡,而在美國只有14%的商家可以收晶片卡,美國的銀行也懶得因為成本換新卡給消費者,雞生蛋蛋生雞。iPhone搭配了EMV token就是EMVCo的馬前卒,誘使店家換裝讀卡機。...(恕刪)


台灣應該也要努力.....
今天蘋果日報有提到....台灣終端刷卡機約30萬台,晶片感應式約3萬台....
如果數據數實...這樣比例比美國還低
這也是我前面說到台灣要推Apple Pay的阻力之一.......但還有解...因為畢竟發卡組織有意願推
但我覺得最大阻力還是落在金管會+金控......
希望Apple魅力能克服這一點......
若能推行....我想Android也能雨露均霑....電子錢包才能落實(現在看之前的都像做半套而已)
真是有效率的公司!
TrustZone我這個門外漢看起來像是做在processor上, 所以不像目前的se需要nfc chip的公司支援?
說真的要拿來當錢包用的手機 就不要root了吧...

p.s. shouea大用的是英式英文 :D
shouea wrote:
昨晚收到回信了,我直...(恕刪)
FMZ wrote:
真是有效率的公司! ...(恕刪)
其實我擔心的點是,手機被人撿走,對方又手腳快到在遺失者線上取消Token跟信用卡的連結之前就把手機root完,取得裡面的Token。

TrustZone做在Processor上→你的理解沒錯,說白了就是用Processor模擬出來的...
這篇文章寫的很詳細:維護手機資訊安全 TrustZone軟硬兼施

不過這是ARM的專利,用Samsung跟MTK的去旁邊玩沙吧
原來如此

但是root的話不是資料都會被洗掉嗎?

除非hacker 有比一般人更厲害的root方式?


shouea wrote:
其實我擔心的點是,手...(恕刪)


http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-17/tim-cook-interview-the-iphone-6-the-apple-watch-and-being-nice#r=most%20popular

這篇剛出爐的Apple專題文章,內文提到符合我的臆測,點子是蘋果向其他金融業者兜售的,但卻成為EMVCo的標準規格。


"Led by Jennifer Bailey, a vice president who had overseen Apple’s online store, the company started pitching this system early last year to banks, credit card companies, and retailers as more secure, more intuitive, and, unlike previous mobile payment systems, more likely to actually be used by tens of millions of iPhone owners. As a result, Apple signed up the largest banks, credit card companies, and national chains such as McDonald’s (MCD) and Walgreen (WAG)."
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