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從小地方看台灣及外國教育學生方式...(自己的主觀看法)

發在閒聊與趣味,但其實一點都不趣味!因為內容有點學術性,不愛的朋友就煩請按上一頁囉~

題外話:
去年我發了篇文,請大家介紹參考書,因為要買給小朋友看。
雖然沒人回文,我還是去幫他找了些書。可喜的是,他還蠻上進的~
也好佳在有補習班願意讓他分期,讓他可以多學點東西~


前言:
那個小朋友上個星期跑來問我生物,問題是這樣的。
他說他補習班的老師說:
松果腺分泌的melatonin 跟 biorhythms 無關。可是他的參考書上寫說"有關"。
但那位老師很肯定的說:參考書錯!有關的理早論在15、20年前就被推翻了。
因為松果腺會退化!若真的有關,那七歲(或退化)後,人體不就沒有調節生物節律的的地方了?
但人一直都有生物節律的功能,所以在松果腺退不退化皆沒影響下,表示松果腺與生物節律無關!

我個人認為這個推論很有道理,但從我以前到現在大學或補後醫時所學到的生物、生理、生化中,
每本書都寫著有關聯,就連前兩年第8版的campbell也寫著有關連。20年前推翻?有點太武斷。

但我想畢竟我不是生理專家,也或許我真的漏學了什麼,所以我開始問周遭認識人。
卻也找不到任何可以支持那補習班老師的理論。所以,我轉而向更厲害的人求助。
感觸就從這裡開始吧~


正文:
我把這個問題分別寄去了三個地方。
1.也是在補習班教後醫生物的老師
2.X大生理所所長。會選她是因為她學歷:英國牛津大學生理學博士
3.Harvard Medical School


很快的,有了回覆。

1.補習班的老師很仔細的用錄音及文字告訴我他手邊有的資料。

2.I am sorry that I am not familiar with this field.Sorry

3.用附件的方式寄給我:
Thank you very much for your recent e-mail. Unfortunately, we do not have a large enough staff to answer all the scientific inquiries we receive and we cannot give individual medical advice. We suggest that you visit your local library where the reference librarian can help you find recent medical encyclopedias and show you how to search MEDLINE, the National Library of Medicine’s database of articles published in medical journals. Or, on the Web, you can use MEDLINEplus at http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ to look up information from the National Institutes of Health on many different diseases and conditions. Another source on the Web is Intelihealth at http://www.intelihealth.com, where you will find Harvard Medical School’s consumer health information.

We wish you the best,

Web Editor

Harvard Medical School



這三種回覆方式,我有自己小小的看法(以給你魚吃,不如教你怎麼釣魚為例):
補習班的方式:你看,那裡有魚。釣竿拿去我跟你說,這種魚要怎麼釣XOXOX...懂了嗎!
台灣的教育是:我這裡沒有魚。(有沒有釣竿是你家的事)
外國的教育是:僅管自己無法給你魚,也會想辦法告訴你那裡有魚有賣釣竿。

我對X大生理所所長頗有微詞,是因為當學生有疑問時,無法解答不打緊,卻也沒給方向。
而哈佛回我信的可能是小妹、研究生、助教、教授。無論是誰,都沒有只寫一句我不會...


2010-01-28 17:49 發佈
modenalin wrote:
補習班的方式:你看,那裡有魚。釣竿拿去我跟你說,這種魚要怎麼釣XOXOX...懂了嗎!
台灣的教育是:我這裡沒有魚。(有沒有釣竿是你家的事)
外國的教育是:僅管自己無法給你魚,也會想辦法告訴你那裡有魚有賣釣竿。

歐美的教育本來就注重“授人以漁”,并教學生怎么樣尋找“魚”,所以他們整體創造力強
~ 家窮人丑,一米四九;小學文化,農村戶口;陳糧半簍,老公沒有; 今日上網,廣征男友;革命道路,并肩齊走!君愿否?~
喂~喂~喂樂康吐呆灣~~

台灣:書中學。學校上完課-安親班上才藝or補習班補英數。
國外:做中學。
不過慢慢的國小以下的做法有在改了~但國高中還沒~
抓猴守則第一條:不得跟客戶有借貸或肉體關係。第二條:跟我認真你就輸了
modenalin wrote:
發在閒聊與趣味,但其...(恕刪)

兩個字作祟『權威』!當老師要在至高點,讓學生仰望!
我愛單車 wrote:
兩個字作祟『權威』!當老師要在至高點,讓學生仰望!

這個就不只是 學校 的問題了
父母 是 “權威”
上級 是 “權威”
......
~ 家窮人丑,一米四九;小學文化,農村戶口;陳糧半簍,老公沒有; 今日上網,廣征男友;革命道路,并肩齊走!君愿否?~
小弟不知道答案

但小弟要的是在國內老師只會跟你說有沒有關

但在國內的教育是要你自己去找到答案不會馬上的否定
modenalin wrote:
這三種回覆方式,我有自己小小的看法(以給你魚吃,不如教你怎麼釣魚為例):
補習班的方式:你看,那裡有魚。釣竿拿去我跟你說,這種魚要怎麼釣XOXOX...懂了嗎!
台灣的教育是:我這裡沒有魚。(有沒有釣竿是你家的事)
外國的教育是:僅管自己無法給你魚,也會想辦法告訴你那裡有魚有賣釣竿。


Maybe you are not that familiar with the workload and politics in the academic field. Each professor has his/her specialty field, maybe they are just not that familiar with your inquiry. Furthermore, if there is no very solid definition regarding to your question, chances are, they won't want to risk their credibility on this. It is sort of "sure, i'll tell you what I know, uh, but don't quote me on this one", and since you don't know the professors/Deans in person, there won't be any "unofficial" answer.

My opinion regarding to the 3 replies.

補習班的老師很有心

台灣某大學的所長沒時間回你信(而且天知道你是不是記者要來製造新聞... and well, at least he/she replied, some professors won't even bother to reply)

Harvard? can't you see its a standardized email from the web editor, it didn't even get to the professor you wrote to. Not particularly directed to you , but there are a lot of people who won't even think or do some minimum research before they ask. That is why Harvard has such a template for email like yours.


a little wiki showed that

Circadian rhythm
In humans, melatonin is produced by the pineal gland, a gland about the size of a pea, located in the center of the brain but outside of the blood-brain barrier. The melatonin signal forms part of the system that regulates the sleep-wake cycle by chemically causing drowsiness and lowering the body temperature, but it is the central nervous system (more specifically, the suprachiasmatic nuclei, SCN) that controls the daily cycle in most components of the paracrine and endocrine systems[25][26] rather than the melatonin signal (as was once postulated).
Infants' melatonin levels become regular in about the third month after birth, with the highest levels measured between midnight and 08:00 (8 AM).[27]


well, i guess we can say it is "related" but not that "significant", according to wiki of course.
wiki might not always be correct, but its always a good place to start. So next time, before you ask for professor's help, try do some research on your own.

Western education does emphasize on the "process of learning", and not knowing itself, but I don't really see this from the email you've provided unfortunately.
1.小學生會獨立思考~>就會吵、就會鬧~>美其名會妨礙到其他學生學習~>其實是老師想比較好帶,所以只要照老師引導的就好

2.補習班不需要獨立思考,只要學考試會考的就好~>對父母有交代,錢才會進口袋

3.現在大學教育,目標需要的是奴才,不是人才,人才是附加的

學習真的是要自己多方去比較去討論,而不是為了"結果"得到甚麼

但是從小就有競爭,功利化的教學導向多半也是我們自己造成的

不為了"證書"去學習,其實我也在迷惘著,但能突破的還是只有自己對吧


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>>我對X大生理所所長頗有微詞,是因為當學生有疑問時,無法解答不打緊,卻也沒給方向。

換個角度想,也許對方真的不想去誤導你,所以只好照實說他不懂,術業本來就是有專攻啊,
醫學裡頭還可以細分許多領域出來,不見得通通都能通曉的,沒確定之前對方真的不願意亂給方向。
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