Antus wrote:
既使強如8801的前極放大, 好像都還是沒有Densen B200 的好
monkey8088 wrote:
在我的系統的實驗是差純二聲道還滿多的~~
退燒玩家 wrote:
。現役的機型是pioneer LX85(美規)
謝謝大家寶貴的意見
先前宅爸也用過 SC-57 (LX-85), 蠻不錯的一台機仔
MCACC 可玩性,印象深刻
AVR 的 Pre-out 增益前級輸出 差 兩聲道前級一截, 似乎已成玩家共識
即便二哥,大哥級的 AVR 仍非 Stereo Pre-amp 對手 如 Densen B-200 ?
預算型初哥 .....可忽略,慢慢升級,顧好荷包優先
Antus wrote:
當用8801的analog out 時候, 是否8801上的音量控制就沒有作用?
簡單說就是bypass 8801的前極放大.
Correct !
此時可用它的 DLNA/DSP/DAC 但 bypass 其放大線路
AVR 的 DSPs 專職 Codec/Upsampling/Room correction
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Antus wrote:
我發現環擴最弱的是#5 這一部分, 除非是像Classe 800, 或Bryton SP3 這種頂極Pre/Pro
Can not agree more !
日系 AVR 市場策略,專攻 $3500 鎂以下客層
雖然不能說它們差 ........
歐美動輒 $6500 鎂 起跳的環繞前級
開發,用料較優 vs 銷售規模不大
消費者分擔廠商成本,相對沉重 .......... Minus#1
環繞影音規格 跟著 Moore's law 跑,
歐美小廠更新速度 遠不及日系財團大廠 ......Minus#2
宅爸評估 Anthem d2v 3D 推出時
恰又趕不上 同年日系機的 4K pass through,整整慢了一年 !
更沒有 DLNA streamer, iOS remote 這些玩意
Quoted comment from Thomas
Honestly, the Surround boards are VERY good. Dont be afraid.
When you go surround, the front channels will still be driven with your B-275.
The SB are designed for surround performance. The preamps are designed for long time listening pleasure. It is a little different. But take a blu ray with 7.1 out, and match it with a B-250 with SB, and I doubt it is possible to get better performance from any surround preamp no matter the price....
(not joking...)
Best regards/Thomas Sillesen
User comment on SB-01 (SB-02 is Hi-end version)
I went for the SB-01 as i felt the difference between the two wasn't significant enough to justify the extra cost. I also have an OPPO and the 7.1 sound through my B250 sounds amazing. As Thomas said, you definitely don't have to worry about it affecting your main 2 channel sound and although it may not be as good as the B250 on paper, you really won't notice the difference through your other surround speakers. All in all i'm extremely happy with the 7.1 system i now have for both stereo and cinema use.
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SW 資料庫
SW test 資料庫
What a comment from UK ?!
I'm testing the sub with Video & Music, mostly music at the moment, though movies are my priority.
I have been listening to music non stop over the last few days, the sub 1 is absolutely fantastic with all types of music, the way it defines the bass notes is something special. The F113 is no slouch when it comes to music either, I think the sub1 maybe just edging it, only time will tell!
I will continue testing.....
After extensive testing both Subs I've been converted to the Dark Side.
In my opinion the Sub1 $4655 鎂 is a huge step up from the JL Fathom F113
$3689 鎂,it has transformed my listening pleasure massively. it has different signature from Fathom, it 's tight, clean, deep, stops and starts in a millisecond and never looses control, the bass notes that this little beauty throws out has to be heard to be believed, it's on another sub planet, especially with music, it's a killer, I can't praise it enough.
I have a very difficult room, my room sucks out the bass from the front to the back, this sub sorts out all my problems within 5 minutes with PBK, it's a revolution.
previous to the Paradigm I have owned JL Fathom F113 as stated above, SVS PB 13 ultra Sledge, SVS PC 20-39, if I can remember, Velodyne SPL1200MK2, Paradigm Servo15 and a few others, I've also tested the Velodyne15+, SVS SB13, Dali Helicon S600, the Paradigm eats them all for breakfast !
The sub has also improved the sound of my speakers by at least 20/30%, I can't stop listening to my music, I'm hearing detail and bass that I have never experienced in my life before the mid bass is phenomenal.
肯這樣燒錢玩 Subwoofer 的人極少 .......
宅爸以為並非 F113 等 Hi-end Subwoofer 如此不堪,而是 Room mode 干擾了他的聽感
After PBK smoothing, 他終於聽到對的聲音
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台灣雜誌寫的已頗有水準
, OS : 肚內機絲介紹詳盡港友,發燒玩家 又補上一篇不錯的分析
AV8801 港友評測
北美 & HK Hiendy 不少燒友 今年陸續換前級,宅爸細數,其中 AV8801 開箱最多
逼得歐美劇院前級 開始推新機反擊
日系如 Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon,Onkyo $2500 鎂 級距 也都有佳作
宅爸爬到一篇 Audyssey XT32 罩門
高解析音樂格式 96KHz 以上,超過 Realtime Room correction DSP 能力
Freq 23 KHz 以上 不作處理
這一塊有待 64 bit DSP 問市 ?
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終於爬到一篇心得, Room correction 運作時 => 後級粉操 !
....大家千萬不要因此忽略了器材的重要性。我的MC207是每聲道200W 功率，推主聲道本應卓卓有餘，
但開了Audyssey EQ 並以0dB 標準音量重播時，MC207 的功率指針經常會打滿。
估計是EQ為了修復環境造成的凹下頻率，所以 0dB 時這些頻率所需的功放功率，可能已達到 +3dB甚至﹢6dB，由此對後級和音箱的能力，提出了更高的要求。
所以，EQ 只是錦上添花，器材才是根本。如果器材能力不夠強，再高級的 EQ 也是巧婦難為無米之炊
宅爸歸納
使用 Room correction 修正空間低頻凹陷時, +3/+6/+9 dB trigger 功率承倍數輸出
尤其是 40 Hz 以下低頻凹陷, 對後級能力要求十分嚴苛
作者沒提到擺位,利用 Room gain or 避開凹陷 spot 也是一個方法
常識告訴我們 100 Km/hr 定速巡航, 大概只要 50 hp ? 市售車全部及格
順順聽音樂 需要瓦數也不大, 幾十瓦粉夠用了,爆棚音樂極少 可以忽略,音量也不會大到擾鄰
超過基本需求,則稱之為 window
Again wider window 為好聲之母 (好車之母)
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U-Audio 介紹 Pendragon 低音柱
八顆 8" 低音單元, 內建 AB 類後級, RMS 1000 Watt
下潛達 16 Hz
上文提及一位老外愛死他的 new Sub1, 6 顆 8",Ultra D,RMS 1700 Watt,下潛 12 Hz
vs 前妻 JL F113, 異曲同工 ?
歸納音樂性優異的低音輔助單元
0)單體尺寸 沒有定數,先前宅爸研究 Bass player 喜愛的 Bass amp
以 8~10" 陣列為主, 當作參考
試想 Bass player 不追大的原因為何 ? 不會是 13", 15", 18" 單體價格因素.
1)原廠開發 SW 時與主聲道音質作過匹配,並列為同系列產品為首選
許多燒友跳過這環,用主聲道零頭預算 逕找 3rd party 替代品, CP 值高,匹配性是一個問號 ?
e.g 主叭花 30 one, SW 3 one 打發
, 再抱怨 2.1(2.2) 配不起來 ?宅爸建議,比照訊源投資,3 one 綜擴/環擴 配 30 one 主叭 若嫌比例失衡, SW 亦然
2)喇叭原廠並無出高階系列對應 SW ,如 Usher Be-20 便需 3rd party SW
反覆比對試聽跑不掉, 原廠從缺, 樂迷更要自力作功課, 粉操 !
3)空間與低頻管理,大傢伙非常需要 OS : 小空間+小傢伙 也能加分
黃金方程式中, 宅爸依賴 XT32 & PBK 兩種 Know-How for post treatment
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