但是D牌250在新竹我倒是有聽過，當時是要買RCA線的時候店員順便推銷的，不過...聲音真得不怎麼樣不好意思講得這麼直接，當時的店員是用iPad連D牌機器放mp3 (感覺在敷衍騙人的感覺)，後來看我表情不太對勁才改用Marrentz的CD player (印象中)接D牌250放CD，但是聲音感覺不管用哪種source都是加料在加料且缺乏細節...25萬有很多的選擇，二手器材25萬已經可以買到很好的設備了，假設原po不在意外表的話。我比較的設備是用我的黑膠系統 (Mirco Seiki BL91L+Ikeda的唱臂+唱頭+Yamaha C2a唱放)跟CD系統 (Sony X3000當轉盤，Sony DTC 77ES當DAC)。不知我這樣對jimmy大算是知而後言嗎?
再者，為了解答自己的疑慮我從網路上看到了D牌250的解剖圖XD，他的D類跟A類的模組似乎是靠得很近，且沒有看到屏蔽的金屬殼，說實話D類放大雖然效率高，但本身就是一個高頻振盪源，沒有屏蔽的話，A類跟D類同時做動就會有高頻干擾的問題，所以D牌的產品的確會讓人有疑慮，我很贊同fyl0206大大的想法，或許往好處想或許D牌有什麼特殊技術可以不用金屬殼屏蔽又可以不受干擾吧XDDDDD(超好的訊噪比)
P.S.: website 似乎沒有人用go to，正式用法是visit; be cautious on是不對的! cautious接的介係詞有: of (be cautious of sth.), in (cautious in V-ing)跟about，一上是我之前讀BBI字典留下的記憶，如有誤還請不吝指教
如果是的話:.........
各位知道樂器廳的硬體編成不過就是沒有接觸AV,stereo素養的工程師
連家裡像樣的器材都沒有的人搞出來的
用錄音卡兜起來，賣電腦的光華工程師、貴貴的音效卡代理商(員工搞不清楚自己賣的東西)
連我都要學那位六星級的神人來個......呵
對不起我多講多錯，不能再講了
Devialet 在台灣的歷史也不久,可以篤定維修費用會便宜?!...
且壽命要拿來跟用過有幾年的 A 類擴大機比妥善率?!(我 A 類 amp 挂點貴一點頂多功率晶體配對換掉就好了了事..)...
台南賣 Devialet 的展樂我也熟到不能再熟了,他做生意的方法我也都知道(心照不宣而已..)...
這東西的設計其實也很簡單..,設計一個高低通,高頻走過去讓那個 "只有 5 瓦"的 A 類擴大器負責,中低頻過去給那個神奇的 D 類放大器處理..,真的需要大出力的時候再用一個類似繼電器原理的類比電路把 A 類那一個 amp short 掉就好了...
我們家裡做台灣上市公司的中下游加工商也超過一甲子了..,類似 Devialet 這種東西難是難在夠水準的協力廠商太難找!~~~..,光那個鍍鉻處理可能就一大堆左岸商人被打槍了...
TOYOTA 的 CAMRY 不錯是不錯..,可你要賣到跟 Merk S 320 一樣的價格就太誇張了!!~~~
PS.:那個賣花生醬的我把它加入黑名單了...
寧與同好爭高下，勿與傻瓜論長短...
570 wrote:570 小弟,如果你只要聽罐頭音樂那就省下時間了,名琴在奇美博物館有很多,加上一般的好琴不下千把.只怕你無緣聽見了,學樂器的人對音樂的感覺和玩音響的人是有差距的
這位97哥哥是講奇...(恕刪)
網路文化就是如此,似是而非的說法一堆,三人可以成一黨,要自己去求証,人品高低都有,合則友,不合則去,用PM挑釁的行為我是不予理會的(不是指你),音樂音響是個人的享受,無須比來比去,否則只會低了格調
我不是賣家,也不是代理,全台不只台南有賣D牌,只是玩音響聴音樂幾拾年,看到怪論調也會吐槽兩句,D牌的確是有很多創新之處,連Naim也跟著推出極相似且價格更貴的產品,
http://devialetchat.com/showthread.php?tid=452
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B&W 802 Diamond with SAM ?
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#1 13-Nov-2014, 00:26
Has anyone experienced the 802 Diamond with SAM.
The specs on the devialet site look really impressive. I Thinking of buying the
802Diamonds to use with my Dev 400 and hoping that with SAM I won't need a sub
For orchestral music ?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Theaudioguru
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#2 13-Nov-2014, 00:29
If you need a sub with those babies, you must be planning some serious mischief!
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Sonos Connect (W4S) > Devialet 200 > NO SPEAKERS!
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#3 13-Nov-2014, 14:05
(13-Nov-2014, 00:26)theaudioguru Wrote:
Has anyone experienced the 802 Diamond with SAM.
The specs on the devialet site look really impressive. I Thinking of buying the
802Diamonds to use with my Dev 400 and hoping that with SAM I won't need a sub
For orchestral music ?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Theaudioguru
Looking at the data on the Devialet site the 802 is the most accurate speaker they have yet measured in the bass, before SAM, so of all the speakers it is the one which needs SAM least. Nevertheless it is changed a bit but I would think the gain due to SAM will be not noticed on many discs, unlike the smaller speakers.
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#4 13-Nov-2014, 14:54
I Heard 802 with devialet 800. SAM was not bieg change in sound quality. In fact I preferred sound without SAM. Anyway I did not liked sound of setup. I think that are better and cheaper loudspeakers for Devialet than 802D. for me timbres are important and musicality. Devialet with 802 gives You big sound but little emotions IMHO.
SAM was a real improvement with 805D.
In my experience SAM helped more small speakers than a big ones.
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#5 13-Nov-2014, 16:45
Hello.
In fact I am experimenting with a pair of B&W 802 Diamonds and Devialet amps for more than six month now. I have started with a borrowed 250 and meanwhile I have switched to a 400.
In my setup the 802 Diamonds make a perfect couple with the 400 plus SAM. But To tell you the whole truth you must know that the rest of the stuff I am using has been carefully choosen too.
I am a strong believer in power source and power cabelling. So I am using PS Audio P10 and really high quality cables all equipped with Furutechs FI-50-connectors.
The next thing is the source. As many of us, I have started with a notebook first. After that I have switched to an optimized Win 2012 server with Jplay. Finally I found a real high-end SSD-based musicserver which shows the best latency results I have ever measured. And I am using wav. -files only!
Everything has been nicely placed in a matching dedicated high-class rack and here we go. The result is mind blowing and is in fact much better than many much more expensive setups I have owned before. So I have sold all my LINNs, AVMS, KRELLS and Jeff Rowlands. Now I have only three small boxes (plus the mighty P10) and many of my friends really wonder what is wrong with their classical high-end setups...
From my point of view the 802 Diamond plus SAM is a really marvelous team!
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樓主的心意大抵已經決定了,除非是就聲音....討論,如果再說三道四就是別有用心了,也沒有用!!
vasily8065 wrote:“後來看我表情不太對勁才改用Marrentz的CD player (印象中)接D牌250放CD，但是聲音感覺不管用哪種source都是加料在加料且缺乏細節...25萬有很多的選擇"
回 jimmy大與f...(恕刪)
This is really not what Devialet should sound. Rich details and dynamics is the forte of Devialet. To be honest, I am very suspicious about your statement. I used Marantz SA-1 before, it sounds warm but, with regard to details, it's not the best. No matter how, they wouldn't sound like what you said. In my experience, I can hear the chair cranking under the player in an orchestra and the fingers flying over the strings across the violin bridge in recital. As I said, it helps you recognize what is "fidelity" to listen to real instruments playing. Some times, it is really hard to explain about the "micro" dynamics, but in the real instrument playing you can feel it.
Did you check the noise floor or total distortion of Deviate? They are actually as low as insane which you should forget about D-class or A-class bla bla...
You have many many choices for the money 25萬. But 25萬cannot get you a preamp, a power amp, a D/A, a pre-pre amp.......
Check up the new product of Naim. They got very similar product with higher tag price.
I am not a seller or agent. I just hate to see people getting around and talking nonsense.
I close my case.
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