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asus 42rw1[易錄fun], quick review [簡易測試]

yesterday, a dealer [at 民生東x段3角窗] with 3 asus sales reps. they will be there today too. that means you can go there to challenge them too! they demo 5 asus TVs, and key role is new 42rw1 [易錄fun].

asus reps [A]: this is newest and best TV in TW with DVR features.
L [that's me]: really? why you say it's the newest?
A: b/c so far no any other brand launches such TV/DVR here.
L: how come? LG launched it long time ago!
A: LG, doesn't count [b/c it's not TW brand] and not as good as ours [asus].
L: ok, TW first. then show me what it can do to be the best...
A: click some buttons to recall G-guide menu. see, you choose the show you want, then press 'green' key to timer record the show. just that simple/easy.
L: bit weird, b/c in every brand DVR 'red' mean record, why you change it to 'green'?
A: sigh.... let me show you its G-guide.
L: show me ch101[my favorite 淨空法師主講/華藏衛視], if G-guide is available?
A: ch101, see I told you our G-guide is the best, even ch101/102/103.... every channel has not only show time table, but brief show content intro for whole week.
L: hmm, this is good. b/c last year I tested another brand TV, it didn't have show info on later channels like ch101/102/103.....
L: how about POP, can you swap?
A: no problem, it can even zoom in/out.
L: how about none cable/DVBT sources, can it swap too?
A: oops, didn't know only L side can accept HD source...
L: does it have cc decoder?
A: what's it?
L: the chip can display hidden subtitle.
A: no, it's not required here.
L: what's its HDMI ver?
A: v1.3a! they reply with confidence!!!
L: so it supports xvColour/DeepColour.
A: never heard of what you just said......
L: how about CEC?
A: what's CEC?
L: do you know the differences of v1.3 vs v1.3a?
A: silent.....
L: then I don't believe it's v1.3. probably only v1.1 at most.
A: that's our RD told me, v1.3a.
L: which scaler it uses?
A: scaler, that's made by us, asus scaler.
L: what, really? since when asus makes its own scaler?
A: don't you know asus has big capital to make scaler.
L: pardon for my ignorance, but only know world top tier scaler makers like HQV, Faroudja, ABT, Marvel... hmm, this can be a headline breaking news! asus scaler...?
L: show me again how do you program the show I want to record.
A: as demo, very easy to setup timer record function.
L: say show A is 7-8, show B is 7:30-8:30. then how do you program it?
A: just do it like what we just did.
L: show me step by step to see how do you do.
A: they tried a few times but failed to make such programming.
L: didn't you just say it's that easy, how come you can't do it now?
A: sorry, it lacks such feature... can't overlap.
L: does TV has timeshift?
A: timeshift?
L: can I watch recorded show while record live show?
A: sorry, it can't.
L: how many tuners it has?
A: 2 analog + 1 DVBT.
L: DVBT HD?
A: no, only 15ch DVBT.
L: then can it record 2 shows simultaneously? [either cable + DVBT or 2 cables]
A: no, it can record 1 show at a time.
L: so what's 3 tuners for if can't record both?
A: just for you to watch 2 live shows.
L: how about overscan?
A: no problem, let me show you it can make 1080 pixel-2-pixel.
L: hmm, good, in every mode?
A: no, only PC mode.
L: does it have 120Hz or 10bits tech?
A: what for?
L: where is TV made?
A: at our factory, 龜山. MIT.
L: can user exchange HDD by himself?
A: no he can't. but TV has a USB port.
L: how to backup recorded show?
A: just move to USB, then use PC to duplicate.
L: can I delete unwanted ad?
A: you have to edit on PC.
L: can it record BS?
A: no, it can't handle BS.
L: how long is warranty?
A: 3 years full TV, includes remote.
L: how much is it?
A: MSRP $56900, but you can talk to dealer boss for better deal.

my comments:
its unknown scaler [or they claim asus made] doesn't give very smooth PQ.
Y/C separation isn't very good, somehow cross-coloured.
DVBT receiption is acceptable with little lag. [not sure if it's caused by traffic?]
remote has no backlit.
normal speed video is ok, but not good when show fast moving video. [that's why I am looking for 120Hz TV].
F/W design isn't so user friendly, not so advanced/matured/sophiscated as my many years old HRD2.
sales reps ain't so knowledgeable on products. 竟然被我這個毫無工科背景的一般用戶問倒了!

this TV isn't worth such big bucks!
you should buy a better TV with such budget or get a comparable TV + more user friendly DVR. unless you want all-in-one design TV/DVR.

believe here has some asus TV team members. if you read my post, you may answer some questions and teach your sales team to be more well trained.
2008-11-01 10:54 發佈
請不要標題用中文,內文用英文好嗎?
而且這裡是中文討論區
會說中文就請直接用中文輸入
不然這樣很難看的懂
將雙腳化做引擎,追逐自由的風。
L(lienly ): how come? LG launched it long time ago!

據我所知,LG該條生產線已停擺許久,主因是因 "容易熱當"

bit weird, b/c in every brand DVR 'red' mean record, why you change it to 'green'?

  小弟不清楚,當初asus sales( A)拿出來的遙控器為何
不過上面 已經有"紅色的按鍵 - 錄影"了,這主要是用來執行「即時錄影」
至於為何G-GUIGE裡面,會採用"綠色",這主要是要跟上方作區分!!

L: how about none cable/DVBT sources, can it swap too?

  如果您可以找出,台灣目前有哪一台,可以右邊撥放HD的機型,那我就真的認輸了...

L: how about CEC? the differences of v1.3 vs v1.3a

  沒錯!! 這就是華碩的致命傷,但華碩出了一把 學習型液晶觸控面板遙控器(好饒舌...)彌補這樣的缺陷

L: say show A is 7-8, show B is 7:30-8:30. then how do you program it?

  據我所知,市面上的錄放影機也無此功能.... TiVo則未知

L: does TV has timeshift?

  據我所知,市面上僅 TiVo 支援此項功能,但需收費

L: then can it record 2 shows simultaneously?

  關於此項功能,小弟在首頁已經大致解說過了;據我所知,市面上的產品也無此功能....
但華碩是唯一"可針對DTV錄影"的產品!!

L: can I delete unwanted ad?

也可以透過 電視 直接刪除喔~









TO lienly 大:

  關於您的建議,有些不失為好點子;畢竟RW1系列是華碩首次嘗試的新組合
或許下次會針對你所提出的部分,而改良成 RW2 也不一定 哈哈



  有句話是這麼說的:「蓋房子的不懂賣房子、賣房子的不懂蓋房子!!」
華碩蓋房子,然後我介紹房子,希望這間房子能讓您滿意~
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yesterday,...(恕刪)


從 XP 的 '輸入鍵盤對應' 選 '通用拼音' 可以讓你用你已經熟悉的英文打字輸入漢字,例如
打 sin 就是'新', 打 jiou4 就是'舊',很容易的.
用英文鍵盤還是很容易輸入漢字的.



liao3.

ying gai shi4 'xin', bu2 shi4 'sin'.

hei dou4 jiang? dou4 jiang bu2 dou shi4 bai de5 ma5?

黑豆漿 wrote:
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zhaokylin wrote:
據我所知,LG該條生產線已停擺許久,主因是因 "容易熱當"

didn't know LG already stopped such TV/DVR.

bit weird, b/c in every brand DVR 'red' mean record, why you change it to 'green'?
zhaokylin wrote:  小弟不清楚,當初asus sales( A)拿出來的遙控器為何
不過上面 已經有"紅色的按鍵 - 錄影"了,這主要是用來執行「即時錄影」
至於為何G-GUIGE裡面,會採用"綠色",這主要是要跟上方作區分!!

then why remote still has 'red' button on G-guide?

L: how about none cable/DVBT sources, can it swap too?
zhaokylin wrote:  如果您可以找出,台灣目前有哪一台,可以右邊撥放HD的機型,那我就真的認輸了...

haven't found such TV here. but a chip maker [brand Zxxx] has such feature solution.

L: how about CEC? the differences of v1.3 vs v1.3a
zhaokylin wrote:  沒錯!! 這就是華碩的致命傷,但華碩出了一把 學習型液晶觸控面板遙控器(好饒舌...)彌補這樣的缺陷

what's the relationship of HDMI CEC with remote?
besides, that programmable touch LCD remote is made by sunwave!

L: say show A is 7-8, show B is 7:30-8:30. then how do you program it?
zhaokylin wrote:  據我所知,市面上的錄放影機也無此功能.... TiVo則未知

my HRD2 [years old] has such feature. it will record show B from 8 when show A is over.

L: does TV has timeshift?
zhaokylin wrote:  據我所知,市面上僅 TiVo 支援此項功能,但需收費

HRD2 has timeshift.

L: then can it record 2 shows simultaneously?
zhaokylin wrote:  關於此項功能,小弟在首頁已經大致解說過了;據我所知,市面上的產品也無此功能....
但華碩是唯一"可針對DTV錄影"的產品!!

many 7 tuners BS DVRs can record 2 shows simultaneously!

L: can I delete unwanted ad?
zhaokylin wrote:也可以透過 電視 直接刪除喔~

inconvenience to none PC user. why can't edit directly on DVR as HRD2 can!


zhaokylin wrote:TO lienly 大:

  關於您的建議,有些不失為好點子;畢竟RW1系列是華碩首次嘗試的新組合
或許下次會針對你所提出的部分,而改良成 RW2 也不一定 哈哈

when will RW2 release?

curious, you work at TV lab to test so many TVs?
L: bit weird, b/c in every brand DVR 'red' mean record, why you change it to 'green'?

then why remote still has 'red' button on G-guide?



  是的!! 絕大多數的錄放影機,其錄影的快捷鍵,都以紅色居多,就像上圖的「●錄影」
但小弟猜測,華碩可能怕使用者會混淆,所以才下此策,所以將按鍵分開設置(上下層)

  其實,紅、綠、藍、黃 4個按鍵,在G-GUIDE、易錄Fun模式下,分別代表不同意義
以下圖做個說明   (請原諒小弟的懶惰...) 

圖1:在進行"預約錄影"的情況下,可能怕USER按錯,按到上方的「●錄影」
  所以才改用"綠色鍵",以便區隔


圖2:進行"預約錄影"後,4個按鍵都有其所屬功能,如圖示





L: how about none cable/DVBT sources, can it swap too?
haven't found such TV here. but a chip maker [brand Zxxx] has such feature solution.


  痾... 其實小弟英文不是很好說,上面那一段 小弟看不太懂.....請原諒小弟的無知
那我就42RW1的雙畫面的部分解說一下好了,看能不能矇中。

  不管有無接上TV/DTVB訊號,都可執行雙畫面之功能,只是畫面一片雪花....

  華碩標榜 - "可子母畫面收看兩個第四台節目",這主要是由於內建2個第四台的TUNER
而在雙畫面的模式下,左邊支援色差、HDMI、複合式AV、PC;而左邊僅支援CABLE/DVBT,
雙方可隨時切換,但唯讀 PC雙畫面,須先切換至VGA,才可執行雙畫面之按鍵

  透過跟L大的交流,倒是有助於小弟語言的學習,而且學校規定畢業前,還要通過英檢-中級....


what's the relationship of HDMI CEC with remote?
besides, that programmable touch LCD remote is made by sunwave!


  的確!! 華碩在設計上,並無加入日系品牌的「Sync」;推測可能由於華碩目前只出電視吧...
週邊上的配置,相較起日系品牌的多采多姿,的確可說是薄弱許多.....   (A33算週邊嗎??)

  但,這也是所有國產的弱點;至今,仍無一家品牌旗下有推出支援CEC的週邊商品!!
甚至該品牌有推出DVD也不支援。 包含 SAMPO、KOLIN、TATUNG、CHIMEI、TECO族繁不及備載..

  不過,話說回來,也因為台灣廠牌沒有注重這方面的設計,即使USER所購買的產品有支援此功能
,多數人根本也不曉得如何操作;國情的不同,導致USER的習慣也不同...

  最好的證明 - 多數USER根本不會去購買有 HDMI 之 DVD Player,「便宜才是王道阿!!」
這才是真正奇怪的一點;USER 連價值10幾萬的電視都買下去了,DVD卻只挑千元不到的...

  嗯~,是sunwave代工的,而且說實話....華碩這把介面都是英文的,應該會造成多數USER不便吧!?







L: say show A is 7-8, show B is 7:30-8:30. then how do you program it?
my HRD2 [years old] has such feature. it will record show B from 8 when show A is over.


  因為時段有重複到,所以在設定預錄時,系統是無法執行的,會跳出警訊告知 USER 時段衝突!!
僅能設定成 A is 7:00-8:00;B is 8:00-9:00。因為打從一開始,就無法進行這樣的設定...



L: then can it record 2 shows simultaneously?
many 7 tuners BS DVRs can record 2 shows simultaneously!


  可支援 A(DVBT) is 7:00-8:00;B(CABLE) is 8:00-9:00 或是兩者對調
亦支援,邊錄DVBT 邊看 CABLE,或是 邊錄CABLE 邊看CABLE 及 DVBT
根據測試,同時進行錄影很可惜...不行的,理由同上,乃因為時段有所衝突


L: can I delete unwanted ad?
inconvenience to none PC user. why can't edit directly on DVR as HRD2 can!


紅、綠、藍、黃 4個按鍵,在易錄Fun模式下,分別代表的意義




L: when will RW2 release?


    Nice question!!  may God knows??

  根據目前所知,華碩最近預計推出的機種 為 42VW1,具有120Hz、10bit、廣色域!?
但....國人對於國產品牌,向來都沒什麼好感....,這點可從 42RW1 的討論串中驗證!!
所以 RW2系列可說是遙不可望....

  雖然華碩走精品路線,但仍擺脫不了長久以來的禁箍,國產品牌的原罪 - 注定走向廉價的一方...

  這就是最大的問題點,今天 國產品牌 有著能與 日系品牌 抗衡的能力,連120Hz、10bit都使出了
卻不能賣日系品牌的價錢,一定要比日系品牌低廉才能有所謂的"競爭力"... 我只能替國產悲哀...

  稍微了解 ASUS TV 的人都知道 - 華碩賣電視,賣幾台就賠幾台,每個人都說 華碩有夠憨...
但誰知道 華碩 越做越起勁,硬是稱過了這些年頭;當然,到現在還是在燒錢...

  也不知道何年何月,才能得到國人的認同,但華碩還是堅持下去了,即使自己人也不看好....
求的是什麼???  求的是 - 為國產出一口氣阿!!  就如同小弟今日在此敲文章,也是為此...

  批評跟指教都是鼓勵的一種,但掌聲卻是此時此刻 華碩 最需要的,希望大家不吝雙手
就像 L大 般,認同華碩的優缺點,並給予建議~

  最後...要說的是 - 國產品牌加油!!
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Z大說明的很詳細...

是該多支持果產的時候了...

更何況是有心的廠商...希望大家多支持...
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lienly wrote:
yesterday,...(恕刪)

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zhaokylin wrote:
是的!! 絕大多數的錄放影機,其錄影的快捷鍵,都以紅色居多,就像上圖的「●錄影」
但小弟猜測,華碩可能怕使用者會混淆,所以才下此策,所以將按鍵分開設置(上下層)
  其實,紅、綠、藍、黃 4個按鍵,在G-GUIDE、易錄Fun模式下,分別代表不同意義
以下圖做個說明   (請原諒小弟的懶惰...) 
圖1:在進行"預約錄影"的情況下,可能怕USER按錯,按到上方的「●錄影」
  所以才改用"綠色鍵",以便區隔
圖2:進行"預約錄影"後,4個按鍵都有其所屬功能,如圖示

I did see another RED button on remote. but sales rep can't explain why there are 2 RED keys and why use GREEN to record........


L: how about none cable/DVBT sources, can it swap too?
haven't found such TV here. but a chip maker [brand Zxxx] has such feature solution.
  痾... 其實小弟英文不是很好說,上面那一段 小弟看不太懂.....請原諒小弟的無知
那我就42RW1的雙畫面的部分解說一下好了,看能不能矇中。
  不管有無接上TV/DTVB訊號,都可執行雙畫面之功能,只是畫面一片雪花....
  華碩標榜 - "可子母畫面收看兩個第四台節目",這主要是由於內建2個第四台的TUNER
而在雙畫面的模式下,左邊支援色差、HDMI、複合式AV、PC;而左邊僅支援CABLE/DVBT,
雙方可隨時切換,但唯讀 PC雙畫面,須先切換至VGA,才可執行雙畫面之按鍵
  透過跟L大的交流,倒是有助於小弟語言的學習,而且學校規定畢業前,還要通過英檢-中級....

我是說除了cable/DVBT外, 其他HD訊源可否也對調?
so you are still at school. really curious how come you can test so many new TVs?

what's the relationship of HDMI CEC with remote?
  的確!! 華碩在設計上,並無加入日系品牌的「Sync」;推測可能由於華碩目前只出電視吧...
週邊上的配置,相較起日系品牌的多采多姿,的確可說是薄弱許多.....   (A33算週邊嗎??)
  但,這也是所有國產的弱點;至今,仍無一家品牌旗下有推出支援CEC的週邊商品!!
甚至該品牌有推出DVD也不支援。 包含 SAMPO、KOLIN、TATUNG、CHIMEI、TECO族繁不及備載..
  不過,話說回來,也因為台灣廠牌沒有注重這方面的設計,即使USER所購買的產品有支援此功能
,多數人根本也不曉得如何操作;國情的不同,導致USER的習慣也不同...
  最好的證明 - 多數USER根本不會去購買有 HDMI 之 DVD Player,「便宜才是王道阿!!」
這才是真正奇怪的一點;USER 連價值10幾萬的電視都買下去了,DVD卻只挑千元不到的...

agree, most buyers here still choose cheap/entry models, especially in such poor eco.

besides, that programmable touch LCD remote is made by sunwave!
嗯~,是sunwave代工的,而且說實話....華碩這把介面都是英文的,應該會造成多數USER不便吧!?

that sunwave remote has no Chinese interface.

L: say show A is 7-8, show B is 7:30-8:30. then how do you program it?
my HRD2 [years old] has such feature. it will record show B from 8 when show A is over.
  因為時段有重複到,所以在設定預錄時,系統是無法執行的,會跳出警訊告知 USER 時段衝突!!
僅能設定成 A is 7:00-8:00;B is 8:00-9:00。因為打從一開始,就無法進行這樣的設定...

hope can improve this unfriendly design.

L: then can it record 2 shows simultaneously?
many 7 tuners BS DVRs can record 2 shows simultaneously!
  可支援 A(DVBT) is 7:00-8:00;B(CABLE) is 8:00-9:00 或是兩者對調
亦支援,邊錄DVBT 邊看 CABLE,或是 邊錄CABLE 邊看CABLE 及 DVBT
根據測試,同時進行錄影很可惜...不行的,理由同上,乃因為時段有所衝突

I don't think time conflict is the root cause it can't record 2 shows simultaneously!

L: can I delete unwanted ad?
inconvenience to none PC user. why can't edit directly on DVR as HRD2 can!



紅、綠、藍、黃 4個按鍵,在易錄Fun模式下,分別代表的意義

why only 1 choice has same blue colour of little square and text? another 3 squares just white with different text colours.

L: when will RW2 release?
    Nice question!!  may God knows??
  根據目前所知,華碩最近預計推出的機種 為 42VW1,具有120Hz、10bit、廣色域!?
但....國人對於國產品牌,向來都沒什麼好感....,這點可從 42RW1 的討論串中驗證!!
所以 RW2系列可說是遙不可望....

haven't seen vw1 series.

雖然華碩走精品路線,但仍擺脫不了長久以來的禁箍,國產品牌的原罪 - 注定走向廉價的一方...
  這就是最大的問題點,今天 國產品牌 有著能與 日系品牌 抗衡的能力,連120Hz、10bit都使出了
但卻不能賣日系品牌的價錢,一定要比日系品牌低廉才能有所謂的"競爭力"... 我只能替國產悲哀...
  稍微了解 ASUS TV 的人都知道 - 華碩賣電視,賣幾台就賠幾台,每個人都說 華碩有夠憨...
但誰知道 華碩 越做越起勁,硬是稱過了這些年頭;當然,到現在還是在燒錢...
  也不知道何年何月,才能得到國人的認同,但華碩還是堅持下去了,即使自己人也不看好....
求的是什麼???  求的是 - 為國產出一口氣阿!!  就如同小弟今日在此敲文章,也是為此...
  批評跟指教都是鼓勵的一種,但掌聲卻是此時此刻 華碩 最需要的,希望大家不吝雙手
就像 L大 般,認同華碩的優缺點,並給予建議~
  最後...要說的是 - 國產品牌加油!!

Ganbadene.
no matter what brand, what country made, as long as it's good and worth $, I promote it.
asus TV, still not worth such $, IMO.
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