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Forester XT “爆震" 問題 國外的解決方案

一直看到關於 forester xt 加速時放生爆震的問題. 想說沒事就看了一下國外是否有相關的問題..
發現國外同樣也有類似的問題. 並且網友也指出了和汽油的純度無關.. 問題被放在turbo 對氣壓的排放上, 有人認為是電腦系統的問題, 提前釋放壓力 造成了"漏氣" 並導致車速上不去,

不過也有一個網友發現了, 汽車內幾個氣閥出現鬆動的問題.. 由於本人沒有該車, 也對引擎研究不夠透徹, 所以只能轉述國外網友的statement, 看能不能幫到台灣的車主.

該網友先發現了"TMIC"(Top Mounted InterCooler)的螺絲很鬆..鬆到誇張..(可能從這裡漏氣). 後來她又在車底發現了 BOV (Blowoff valve 排出閥) 和Turbo air supply 也非常鬆動. 於是他鎖緊了所有的氣閥.. 爆震問題也同時消失了.


個人對技術方面的不是很專業, 也沒有該車, 不過還是希望可以幫他各車友 ^^


"Hi guys, I've been following this same problem on here and ozfoz, the guys on there believe that it's a boost leak as 'dpm' mentioned earlier and the knocking sound is from over fueling because the required air pressure/volume has not been matched to the fuel mixture.

Now I have had this problem happen several times now and was quite skeptical of this solution, but willing to try anything at the moment I decided to give it a go!
When the other guys on ozfoz had pulled the engine cover off to tighten everything up they found that the clamps on the TMIC and were so loose it was a joke, so this is where I started and straight away when I went to start tightening up the clamp on the left side of the TMIC you can suddenly see where all that precious boost was going, I done the left side and same thing again loosey goosey!!!

So I started thinking "what if the fittings close to the turbo are loose?" So five minutes later the bash plate under the car was off and found two more clamps the BOV and the turbo air supply and once again both were loose!

Since doing this I drove the car tonight and I am gob smacked!!!! The car is now alive and feels like it has gained 10-20KW easily and no matter how hard I took off in any mode or 'gear' there was and absolutely no loss of power or knocking, the car is as is the car should be!

Honestly anyone who has had this problem or who hasn't experienced it yet tighten up your intake system!"


http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f88/weird-noise-when-i-put-foot-down-259138/

2014-04-24 17:16 發佈
感謝文章分享,真的希望forester車主能受用
感謝熱心提供消息。可惜不懂車,TMIC, BOV 在哪裡,長什麼樣子不知道哇!
我也想知道這三個在哪兒,若是真有解的話,XT應該是首選...順便說服太座~~

我很好奇車主們是怎麼知道有爆震發生?
聽到聲音? 感覺到鈍挫? 還是抓ECU的訊號看到退點火?

抓漏氣要拿boost leak tester,


在車熄火的狀況, 從渦輪吸氣管打空氣進去, 判斷漏氣的速度
不過台灣有這種特殊工具的店家不多,
否則只能細心的把一個個束環根螺絲鎖緊了。

Carlson93 wrote:
我也想知道這三個在哪...(恕刪)


今天意美有新軟體更新了
靜待更新後的測試結果

SkyRipper wrote:
我很好奇車主們是怎麼...(恕刪)


聽說是有聽到"搭!搭!搭!"的聲音。

IAM=9 我都聽不太到,難道Subaru強化了第四缸發生knock時的警示音,在駕駛座放個擴大機讓車主察覺以保護引擎?
matthewzz wrote:
一直看到關於 for...(恕刪)


借轉貼一下,謝謝。
老福、小福、胖福、哈巴福、XV都在 My Subaru http://my-subaru.com
連大師級的都跳出來回應了...應該也是看不下鄉民們的胡亂猜測...

我雞婆點講解一下SUBARU的爆震控制技術~

SUBARU的爆震控制是他的專利,他在四缸的車種,第四缸附近有一顆爆震感知器。
在ECU裡,SUBARU會將第四缸的點火角度提高2~6度不等,作為爆震測定汽缸。

在發生爆震時,根據爆震的次數與時間,SUBARU有三個機制去做爆震回應,

Feeback knock correction:
即時退點火,通常是大腳油門的瞬間的爆震,
會立刻退點火,每一次的爆震(>0.002sec)會退2.1度點火

Fine learning knock correction:
學習退點火,就是一般所謂學習值,對應各種不同轉速/負載 對應持續的油門開度
所發生的爆震,有個8x8的表格來記錄學習

Rough knock correction(IAM):
全面退點火模式,當前二個模式在同一位置已連續退三次點火仍然爆震,則ECU會全面退點火。

上面只是簡單的敘述,其實是個相當複雜且影響廣泛的控制系統。(包含供油,增壓值的調整,
氣溫 水溫 大氣壓等等的補正)

而這一切發生的非常迅速且超過人類的感官所能察覺,我曾看過許多亂改的impreza,點火都退超過
10度以上,幾乎退到爆震控制系統的極限,車主仍一無所知....

所以看到forester車主們居然能察覺爆震,真的是很不可思議,因為若是聽的到爆震聲,那已經是嚴重到
隨時要爆引擎的狀態了
我的點火退到-11.5度 我也是沒聽到過 可能我天生耳殘吧
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