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<抱怨文>win8.1還是各種不適應!

froce wrote:
介於中間的裝置在各種情境下還是只會選一種用吧?
你會寫程式寫到一半用觸控去移動指標?


你說的情況還真的蠻常發生,
因為NB的觸控板在移動速度上還是有些慢,用久了手指也會痠,
所以個人習慣是能用鍵盤就盡量不碰滑鼠或觸控板,
而一些動作鍵盤做不來時,抬起手指碰螢幕還比手離開鍵盤去抓滑鼠快。

你可以想成手離開鍵盤抓滑鼠是一個動作,
然後抓著滑鼠移動游標到定位是第二個動作。
對觸控而言,抬起手碰到目標只有一個動作,
其實是比較快的唷。

當然有些動作,像是圈選、拖曳拷貝等等excel常見的操作,
屬於觸控做不來的,這時當然非滑鼠不可,
所以哪個快用哪個,才是有效率的做法。

至於裝置接上鍵盤就以桌面為主,
平板時以metro UI為主,
表面上好像沒錯,
但我覺得這點應該留給使用者自己決定,
系統不必自作聰明去切換,有時越幫越忙。
(比如我要在metro app下用實體鍵盤打字,
這時只准我用虛擬鍵盤,不是很討厭嗎?)

當你用在桌機上用win8時,
只要一個metro app都不要開,不就一直在傳統視窗下工作了嗎?
既不會遇到關程式的邏輯問題,
也不會遇到甚麼兩種工具列的切換問題,
這種事讓使用者自己處理就好了吧?


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ddcatt wrote:
只是更多的卻是使用者本身不願意改變既有使用觀念所造成。...(恕刪)
講得好像很容易似的
這些既有觀念是培養多久產生的
很多例子都顯現出這種既有觀念需要長時間去改變觀念

以捷運電扶梯舉例
除了僅有電扶梯出入的車站外 捷運電扶梯不用靠右邊站你知道嗎?(已經改為站穩電扶梯 不要在電扶梯上移動)
實際上 大家卻還是讓出左道 靠右站

想改掉舊觀念要耗費相近的時間


目前這個巨大的既有觀念 就是擋在W8前面說W8難用
然後還是一直放大絕激怒同為win的使用者 你不會用 怎不去學 你不求進步 回去用舊版
實際上卻是 用了好幾系列 學了好幾年 一直有跟上win的變化 卻全部倒在w8上
看了這些反駁還真是倒彈到了一個極點

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光是一開機就讓人茫茫然不知從何下手
整個界面大改最大最根本的問題 「我要點哪裡開始 我的電腦使用?」
一見面第一印象 給使用者體驗就是如此糟糕 就不要怪使用者後續給出更差的評價

版本一改再改 預設出現的是磚?還是桌面? 有沒有開始選單?
讓使用者無所適從
連習慣都沒有了 還想說讓人習慣去用
                              彈幕濃!
都出來幾年了還在各種不適應
你們真的好可憐喔。

不要以為我用平板
我也只是傳統非觸控筆電,只用鍵盤和觸控板就完全搞定
skiiks wrote:
這些既有觀念是培養多久產生的
很多例子都顯現出這種既有觀念需要長時間去改變觀念
...(恕刪)


我從不否認這一點,
事實上確實也是這一點讓win8賣得不好,
但是我認為win8改版的方向是正確的,
微軟因為起步已經慢非常多了,
後續當然辛苦萬分,
必須花費相當的宣傳來教育消費者,
讓大家慢慢忘了舊的windows,並接受現在win8的這套操作。

其實如果歷史能夠倒流,
微軟WP7/WP8手機早個一兩年上市,
今天市占有個一半就好了,
使用者帶著相同的操作邏輯來看win8,
會覺得再自然不過...

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Stallings wrote:
都出來幾年了還在各種...(恕刪)
w8推出17個月而以
2012年10月25日推出w8零售版

之前去翻老婆婆用w8的殘忍影片 影片沒找成 倒是找到有人性格轉變
相信w8的確有優點 讓你去忽視操作介面上的種種問題
第一次總是不那麼盡善盡美,我等 Win 9
                              彈幕濃!
並排模式的確在某些行業很有用,比如需要做全文件手動翻譯的時候...
skiiks wrote:
...(恕刪)
是的,人本來就會轉變的。這再正常不過。沒有什麼不對。
這代表我具有發現新事物之美的能力,我探索、學習新事物的能力強。這樣很好。

其實我已經忘了那篇是對於預覽版還是正式版的感想
不過那已不重要
現在的我不是當時的我,想法會變
現在的 Windows 也不是當時的 Windows,現在已經是 8.1 正式版,又更進步了

skiiks wrote:
w8推出17個月
skiiks wrote:
讓人茫茫然不知從何下手
漫長的一年半過去了,你還是很茫然迷惘困惑嗎?
to ddcat 大
您搞錯了
就像我講過的, 就像另一位大大講過的
微軟只是想通吃搞成四不像
apple 不是不敢而是認知到桌電跟移動裝置是不同的思維不想放進去
如果整合也要用最能讓人接受的方式 ...
現在的 OS X 也有像 iOS的桌面..但是是輔助
思維方式還是在傳統OS X上...每次的改版增加其方便性 ~~

現階段的微軟說真的你去玩過其他系統就知道
整合性比apple家 差多了 ~~~~
講難聽點
微軟只是因為想這樣做就這樣做罷了
很多細節上並不是以顧客的方便性做考量 (是,連習慣性都稱不上)
舉例 ... win8 預設開啓pdf是預覽程式 ...
可是 你會覺得他的預覽好用嗎 ?
還是你會選擇用第三方來取代 ?
至少我個人就是 ...
受不了為何我用桌面然後開個pdf就要給我開個全屏
可以問問看 os x用家多少人會刻意去改預設的預覽程式 ?
講得更嚴重點..講 win 8 包括移動系統的OS ..只是為了設計而設計
而不是以人性化做考量的

只能說 真的等 win9吧
盡往壞處想,的確是四不像,
不過我個人還蠻愛的就是。
一套UI可以橫跨手機到桌機,
也能隨鍵盤的有無變換操作方式,
至少win8是個起點,且看win9要如何變吧...
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"Right now we still have a lot of work to do on making Metro seem tasty for those casual users, and that's going to divert our attention for a while. But once it's purring along smoothly, we'll start making the desktop more advanced. We'll add things that we couldn't before. Things will be faster, more advanced, and craftier than they have in the past - and that's why Metro is good for power users," he concludes."

看來他也順便打了好幾位在這支持 win8 的巴掌

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/modern-ui-metro-windows-8-microsoft-ux-designer,26057.html

A Microsoft UX designer talks about why we need the Start Screen in Windows 8.

Jacob Miller, a UX designer for Microsoft, recently took to Reddit to explain why Microsoft chose to use the "Metro" Modern UI-based Start screen in Windows 8. He says that the Start screen is a "content consumption" space meant for casual users to check Facebook, view photos, or get caught up on the latest episodes of Supernatural.

"It's designed for your computer illiterate little sister, for grandpas who don't know how to use that computer dofangle thingy, and for mom who just wants to look up apple pie recipes. It's simple, clear, and does one thing (and only one thing) relatively easily," Miller writes.

He said the Metro interface is the antithesis of a power user, who is a content creator who may have more than one monitor displaying more than one open application. Prior to Windows 8, both the casual consumer and pro user shared the same space. Windows 7 and earlier wasn't even tailored to one group or the other.

"Whatever feature we wanted to add into Windows, it had to be something that was simple enough for casual users to not get confused with, but also not dumbed down enough to be useless to power users. Many, MANY features got cut because of this," he writes.

Previously, Microsoft wanted to please the power user by providing multiple desktops, but each time the company tried to implement this feature, user tests showed that the casual customers became confused. So the company decided to make two "playgrounds" for the Casual and Power groups. The Casual group would have Metro apps, and the Power group would have the desktop.

Yet why did Microsoft make the Start screen the default? And why didn't Microsoft provide a boot-to-desktop option in the original Windows 8 release? His short answer is that casual users don't go exploring. If the platform loaded straight into the desktop and offered the Start menu, then they would have never experienced the Metro side of Windows 8.

"They would still occupy the desktop just as they always had, and we would have been stuck in square one. So we forced it upon them. We drove them to it with goads in their sides. In 8.1, we softened the points on the goads by giving users an option to boot directly to desktop," he writes.

Now that the casual group is aware of the Start screen, Microsoft can now start tailoring. Unfortunately for the power users, it may be a while before they start to see benefits.

"Right now we still have a lot of work to do on making Metro seem tasty for those casual users, and that's going to divert our attention for a while. But once it's purring along smoothly, we'll start making the desktop more advanced. We'll add things that we couldn't before. Things will be faster, more advanced, and craftier than they have in the past - and that's why Metro is good for power users," he concludes.

Later on, Miller talks about how familiarity will always trump good design. The Windows 7 Start Menu is better than Windows 8's Start Screen because it's familiar; Microsoft used the same design for the last 20 years. He acknowledges that Metro will take some getting used to, but it's not going to go away, as it's part of Microsoft's long-term strategy.

"We knew full well casual users wouldn't like it initially. Hopefully in 5 years we'll look back and see we made the right decision," he writes.
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