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希臘為什麼沒破產


曹達魚 wrote:
年輕世代也會成為老年世代,最好到時你們都不會叫,政府學共產黨那一套在台灣製造世代對立,聰明的一看便知,希臘實質已經破產,很多財政已交由歐盟掌理,有機會可到地中海走走,消費一下幫他們早日回復正常國家。


是喔
所以希臘實質是已經破產
要破產之前也是一直抗議一直鬧阿
當初不是一堆抗議的人喊要破產就破產
原來現在是很多財政已交由歐盟掌理?

台灣先做預防措施叫做"製造世代對立"?
那是不是政客要因為不處理年金破產問題, 而要等到跟希臘一樣的一天? 那財政要給誰接手? 中國大陸? 菲律賓? 美國不會願意的就不要想了.

所以某一些人才不管你政府會不會倒
反正我的錢一毛都不可以少

其實這就像很多的"慣老闆"看得很清楚台灣員工的思考模式
你對員工再好也沒用
反正生意好要加薪
生意不好減我一毛錢薪水都不要想, 管你老闆是要賣老婆賣小孩還是要去賣腎, 一毛錢都別想少.

union0 wrote:
是喔所以希臘實質是...(恕刪)


你確定台灣當今政府是在做預防措施?
我很贊成民進黨調整,
臺灣不合理的退休幾付制度,
但省下來的錢不去還債,
卻拿去搞容易上下其手的,
南向,前瞻,綠電這些不知所云計畫,
代表民進黨初衷根本不是改善國家財政,
完全是撈錢自肥.

dz6810 wrote:
我很贊成民進黨調整...(恕刪)</blockqu



認同+1

改革後~錢去哪裡了~還不是被另外一少少少數群人拿去~況且要改革~上面那些政務官~民代~公營肥貓~就不用改革嗎~別只改百姓的小官的~大官~都不用改
之前國民黨馬英九執政,立法院佔大多數,是完全執政,早就要年金改革,結果直接空轉8年!該做的事什麼都沒做,真的很無能!

曹達魚 wrote:
年輕世代也會成為老年世代,最好到時你們都不會叫,政府學共產黨那一套在台灣製造世代對立,聰明的一看便知,希臘實質已經破產,很多財政已交由歐盟掌理,有機會可到地中海走走,消費一下幫他們早日回復正常國家。


不用到老年 現在就已經在叫了
朝五晚九的工作 薪水不上不下 還有生活費、貸款要付
每年政府還要從我們身上撥一層皮
結果這些稅金除了公共建設外 還要拿去給一堆已經退休的軍公教當年終慰問金??

現在不是在台灣製造世代對立
是要讓年輕一輩的認清那些退休金從11萬變10萬就上街頭抗議的老屁股!!

沒有把年金改革省下來的錢好好運用
也只是把A的錢拿給B花

有人只看的到砍多少
就很開心以為大家均平
根本沒看到砍了之後花在哪裡

政府帶頭製造對立

以前
富VS貧

現在
老VS少
公VS勞

光內鬥就可以鬥飽了

希臘給人代管起碼支出有理
而不是亂花

旭玉 wrote:
之前國民黨馬英九執...(恕刪)

現在的蔡英文完全執政,立法院佔大多數,是完全執政,選前說不缺電,不漲電價,不會砍勞工福利,兩岸關係不會變差,結果直接內耗2年!該做的事什麼都沒做,真的很無能!
1p3 wrote:
我記得是在附上幾個條件下向歐洲央行借貸,解決破產問題的
好像有以下幾個條件
1.減少支出,砍掉一堆公務員
2.降低退休金支付比例
3.降低赤字,甚至不能有紅字....
應該還有其他許多條件,不過以一個人來看不難,以一個花錢如流水的國家就很困難
所以初期暴動不斷,不過現在漸漸地沉寂下來了
就和台灣現在砍軍公教退休金一樣.....哀的都是爽爽領錢的,一點都得不到窮苦民眾的認同....


小弟補充一點,
IMF還勒令希臘私有化許多國有資產(機場,港口);也就是出售國有資產還債.


https://www.ft.com/content/066442a0-1897-11e8-9376-4a6390addb44


Greece’s parliament has ratified the €1.1bn privatisation of the northern Greek port of Thessaloniki, with a sale to to a consortium of German, French and Russian-Greek companies.

The disposal of OLTH, operator of the port, takes the form of a combined share sale and concession deal, and was agreed under terms of Greece’s international bailout programme. It took three years to complete.

The Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund, the country’s privatisation agency, is now moving ahead with the disposal of the Alexandroupolis port in northeastern Greece and nine other regional ports that are 100 per cent state-owned.

Private equity firm Deutsche Invest Equity Partners, France’s Terminal Link, a container operator, and Belterra Investments, a Cypriot vehicle controlled by Russian-Greek businessman Ivan Savvides, acquired 67 per cent of OLTH and agreed to invest more than €650m to upgrade the port’s facilities over the 34-year concession period.

The deal attracted attention last year after the US envoy to Athens raised questions about its transparency, while a letter guaranteeing the transaction from Promsvyazbank, a private Russian lender, had to be re-issued after the bank was placed in temporary administration by the Russian central bank

Alexandroupolis, close to the Greek border with Turkey, is seen as a potential hub for natural gas storage and exports to the Balkans as new pipeline connections from Turkey and Bulgaria come onstream.

A Greek company, Gastrade, is preparing to build a $400m floating terminal for liquefied natural gas (LNG) at Alexandroupolis. Greece and Bulgaria are in discussions over constructing a railway link to shuttle containers between Alexandroupolis and Bulgaria’s Black Sea port of Burgas.

https://nujournalismingreece2017.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/desperate-to-escape-debt-greece-is-forced-to-sell-off-its-major-infrastructure/

Desperate to escape debt, Greece is forced to sell off its major infrastructure

Desperate for cash and looking for a way to pay back international creditors, Greece is selling rights to its major state assets including airports, railways and ports to foreign companies with decades-long contracts that will most certainly become lucrative again, robbing the country of any financial benefit.


primary9 wrote:
前幾年的歐洲五豬之...(恕刪)


是破產拉

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