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花東賽發現的怪現象!(可以拉車嗎?)

speed of light wrote:
沒有進入狀況, 已經講解過這一點. must be my terrible Chinese ...(恕刪)


speed of light wrote:
您可能對top level racing 不是很了解,沒關係
補給,機械,交管問題,或意外會影響比賽過程
但是大部分的選手(含我在內)
不希望這些因素影響任何對手最後的成績
儘量以實力和戰略為焦點 ...(恕刪)


所以你認為「運氣」不該被算在比賽的過程,因為你們是Top Level Racing的菁英組?那些爆胎、落鍊、變速不良、機械故障等狀況,都不應該發生在菁英組身上;一旦很倒楣發生了,還是可以用" 任何方法 "回到主集團?就因為這是Top Level Racing?

我不認為你能代表菁英組發言...

你競賽20年,我工作也20年,告訴你,人生的競爭當中,運氣永遠是最重要的一部分。我以為我在單車運動中也能學習到這一點,沒想到今天受教了,這麼有趣的理想世界,哈哈哈!!!

If Mr. Miura can get back to the Peloton by his own power, not by such kinds of "helps", even finally he cannot make it, he will still get more respects from all of us. This is what the argument is.

And, because you used this term " ignorant-ants " to call the people cannot recognize your explaination, I don't think you are a really top-level-cyclist.

還有,別LOL來LOL去了啦,你的格調Low斃了。
Brother Joe、卡打車亂亂照的攝影休閒組 http://blog.xuite.net/brojoe.tw/papazao
大頭症的人到處都是
見怪不怪了

其實這種事情發生太多了

裁判能注意到的實在少之又少

像這樣搞的也比比皆是



很想建議大會4人以上才能報菁英隊
後面隊車拖一大堆
一堆危險駕駛加上離集團遠很難補給

其實我會這樣說是因為隊員不想再去菁英組了
1個人是要怎麼玩....
speed of light wrote:
我感覺好像一直在重複
這次拉車的行為對最後結局沒有影響
參賽者對這一點都相當清楚
...(恕刪)

突然覺得光速先生的這個結論很有意思

這次拉車的行為對最後結局沒有影響>>>所以三浦先生拉不拉車都會是RE40的冠軍?>>>只要三浦先生沒有爆胎,他的實力在RE40就是冠軍?是這個意思嗎?

光速先生真的很respect三浦先生...那乾脆就別比了,直接頒獎給三浦先生好了?

但是不是每個人都這麼認為啊~~至少我不是~~雖然三浦先生是2009環沖繩130K的冠軍而我只是個無知的市民組小螞蟻

那該怎麼決定誰是冠軍?有參賽的市民組跟菁英組一起投票嘛~~台灣是民主社會,投票就好,騎127K那麼遠還要被太陽曬,還冒著摔車的風險,實在是太辛苦、太危險了...

「贊成三浦先生得冠軍的舉手」...台下光速先生跟若干車友紛紛舉手...

「贊成光速先生得冠軍的舉手」...我!!我這無知的市民組小螞蟻一定投你一票
Brother Joe、卡打車亂亂照的攝影休閒組 http://blog.xuite.net/brojoe.tw/papazao
brojoe.tw wrote:
所以你認為「運氣」不...(恕刪)


So what do YOU call a group of people lacking basic reasoning skills? Please tell me.

I've explained in very plain terms the dynamics of elite level racing, all the while never once condoned Mr. Miura's behavior, so the non-racing public can understand why this wasn't a serious offense to the parties actually involved.

brojoe.tw wrote: "..he cannot make it, he will still get more respects from all of us. This is what the argument is. "
You've any idea what the heck you're talking about. You're assessment is so off-based it's silly. You have no idea the essence of bike racing, misplacing importance on the minor aspects of racing. It's like me critiquing your job without the slightest idea what your job responsibilities entail.

As stated before, luck is and always will be part of racing, but should be minimized to allow a fair competition of skills and strategies amongst the racers. The rider in question returned to the peloton without gaining any advantage over his fellow racers. We are here to test our limits and compete against each other, not luck. Staying true to this principle is important to us regardless which racer endures the mishap.

It doesn't matter what names people are called. Their actual behaviors earned that right.

Case in point: brojoe.tw wrote: "And, because you used this term " ignorant-ants " to call the people cannot recognize your explaination, I don't think you are a really top-level-cyclist."
Now THIS makes a lot of sense, huh? Very evident of the level of thinking I'm dealing with. Your comments have earned yourself a name of Disconnecto, on multiple levels.


"人生的競爭當中,運氣永遠是最重要的一部分"wrote by brojoe.tw
LOL, motto of A Disconnecto 陸Za. I've always thought preparation minimizes chance. If 運氣是最重要的一部分, then are we just leaves blowing in the wind? Must be feeling out of control most of the time. Again, ever more evident why this discussion has deteriorated to pointlessness.
brojoe.tw wrote:
突然覺得光速先生的這...(恕刪)


你是真不懂還是...?

沒趣.

還是 BYE BYE 了好.


厚....香蕉賣來亂啦
黃皮硬裝白骨.......
都跌到"陰溝裡去"了還死鴨子嘴硬
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/abaama/
speed of light wrote:
這著麼可以跟打假球混...(恕刪)

打假球的影響是針對觀眾、球迷,拉車的影響也是在於觀眾以及車迷的感官,為何不能相提並論?

我一直很好奇,為何拉車回到主集團是對結果沒影響的?
在拉車追上主集團的這段時間,別人也在拉車嗎?別人沒消耗體力嗎?
拉車的人呢?體力的消耗能夠跟主集團的人比嗎?
既然拉車這段時間有休息到,怎麼有可能是對結果沒影響?
一堆是視而非的言論讓人直搖頭,或許您是前輩,但是你們一直以來認為是對的事情真的是對的嗎?
喬哥說的好......

別以為自己那一套能說服別人
也別把一張照片就做過分批評來造口業

有實力是一回事,不代表我要尊重他
我不能唾棄某些菁英組的行為嗎?
難道市民組的自我突破不能喝采嗎?
莫非以後都菁英組比就好了,市民組別來亂
不就是大家來展現運動精神
大會為了方便運行來分組

這小弟的淺見
據小弟認識的好多菁英組都很謙虛
女勇者林大姐(千X車隊)還有點害羞呢

近年來已不復見騎士精神
反倒是小市民裡比比皆是(合作輪車牽手過終點)
輸了精神贏了世界又如何(也送給各大車隊經理操盤人)



聽不懂火星語請撥翻譯專線♀♂@#%$&§¥〒¢£※
忘了向跌倒受傷仍然奮戰到終點的車手們致敬
聽不懂火星語請撥翻譯專線♀♂@#%$&§¥〒¢£※
我懂你的意思

只要以後遇到類似情形都可以比照辦理

反正又不影響最後結果

對吧


那各位選手可以多挑些高難度來試試看

看要抓門把還是牽條繩子

動作越高難度越好

只要看起來不是很輕鬆就行了


受教受教~~
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