有加就好
機車定期1000km更換
機車加汽車機油
ok的啦
試過 你會有更多的選擇
有些油會劣化快
大概800km就可以換
還看過影片本田小狼(類似金旺?)
加現在最轟動的油炸油
結果不知道...(節目沒說清楚,只說能跑)
來源: https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx
So how is Mobil 1 for passenger cars different from Mobil 1 for motorcycles?
First, let's be clear about Mobil 1's overall benefits compared to those of conventional motor oils, whether for passenger cars or motorcycles:
* Superior long-term engine protection.
* Superior high-temperature stability.
* Excellent low-temperature starting.
* Outstanding engine performance.
* Low volatility/low oil consumption
It's a little hard to generalize about the difference between Mobil 1 passenger-car motor oils and Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. That's because not all viscosities of Mobil 1 passenger-car oils have the same levels of zinc and phosphorus, and there are even greater differences among the three Mobil 1 motorcycle oils. In general, Mobil 1 motorcycle oils have:
* Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous).
(Updated December 2007)
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離合器片,齒輪變速箱,引擎潤滑,三個系統都是泡在機油中
並且國外大部分為1000cc重機,引擎扭力大,所以汽車機油中的添加劑(friction modifiers)減少磨差的配方,會使
離合器打滑,並且重機機油更換週期如同汽車,5000公里換一次,所以重型機車請盡量選用 JASO MA/JASO MA1/JASO MA2認證的機油
通過 JASO MA 認證的機油品牌,黏度及認證號碼
http://www.jalos.or.jp/onfile/pdf/4T_EV_LIST.pdf
通過 JASO MA 認證的機油,瓶身上印有JASO的標章及上方也有JASOM專屬認證編號
http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0308_oil/photo_03.html
台灣一般都是 速可達( Scooter) (速可達型式為引擎在後方)為150CC以下的輕型機車,引擎扭力小,傳動方式為 皮帶傳動乾式 CVT（Continuous Variable Transmission）無段變速系統變速箱,並配合乾式離合器(DRY CLUTCH),機油只負責引擎的潤滑部份此三個系統是分開的,使用汽車機油(friction modifiers)減少磨差的配方可以引擎運作更平順減低磨損,另一方面機油中(friction modifiers)減少磨差的配方因為傳動方式為乾式並不影響離合器片動力銜街的損失,而且很多人的換油習慣為1000公里換一次機油,ZDDP衰退前就換新機油,沒有機油不耐用的顧慮
CVT皮帶傳動乾式 CVT（Continuous Variable Transmission）無段變速系統變速箱的影片
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBHAM1am-UE
因此機車可否使用汽車機油,必須依照 傳動方式來決定,乾式傳動的機車,無機油使傳動系統打滑的顧慮可以使用汽車機油,所以台灣絕大多數國產輕型機車符合上述條件,可以使用汽車機油
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補充
JASO 的認證中 ,JASO MB 認證的機油,為速可達( Scooter)專用機油,約略同等於汽車用機油
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速可達(Scooter)用機油,也可參考美國 MOBIL 的問與答
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Motor_Oil_for_Vespa_Scooters.aspx
Question:
What Oil to Use in Vespa Scooters
We are a Vespa scooter dealership. Do you have a synthetic specifically for a scooter? It calls for 5W-40.
-- Matt Dishong, Lebanon, PA
(有美國的 VESPA 速可達(Scooter)經銷商 問美國MOBIL 公司 ,有 無5W-40 合成機油 適合VESPA 速可達(Scooter)
Answer:
No, we do not have any products specifically for a scooter but we are sure any of the Mobil 1 products will provide outstanding performance in a scooter application. If you need a 5W-40, we would recommend Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40. Don’t let the word 'truck' or 'diesel' in the name turn you off from the product. It also meets API SM so it is also suitable for gasoline engines. It is a very strong product and will provide long lasting protection in a Vespa. Try it; we are sure you will be very pleased.
美國MOBIL 公司回答,美國MOBIL無特定的速可達(Scooter)專用機油產品,但確定的是 使用MOBIL 1 的機油,表現會比速可達(Scooter)專用機油產品更好,因為符合機油API SM 的機油認證.
美國的 VESPA (如同台灣的 ET-8) 也是同國內速可達機車,都是皮帶傳動的乾式離合器(DRY CLUTCH)設計,
http://www.vespausa.com/
請參考 德國BOSCH對含氧感知器的說明
http://www.boschautoparts.com/FAQs/Pages/FAQs.aspx?Category=Oxygen+Sensors
What will damage my oxygen sensor?
Answer
An oxygen sensor can fail prematurely if it becomes contaminated with phosphorus from excessive oil consumption, silicone from internal coolant leaks, using silicone sealant in the engine, and some over-the-counter fuel additives. Even a small amount of poorly refined gasoline can kill an oxygen sensor. Environmental factors such as road splash, salt, oil, and dirt can also cause a sensor to fail, as can thermal shock, mechanical stress, or mishandling. However as required by vehicle manufacturers, Bosch sensors are designed and tested with these extremes in mind.
問:
啥麼東西會使含氧感知器損壞?
答:含氧感知器會永久損壞損,因為被機油中的(磷 phosphorus)好像是過高的ZDDP(二烷基二硫代磷酸锌)污染,所以有含氧感知器噴射引推測應使用API SM 的機油有限制 磷的含量
其他像 汽缸墊片破損使冷卻水中的矽 silicone 污染,使用含矽的汽缸膠,或過量的汽油精,品質不量的汽油,熱震盪,不當的安裝都有可能使含氧感知器永久損壞損
再參考MOBIL 1 檔車機車Motorcycle用機油 的問與答
https://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx
Additive packages balanced differently for motorcycle engine and transmission operation. For passenger vehicles, fuel economy and emission system protection are higher priorities. These require low phosphorus systems and the use of friction modifiers. Motorcycle oils do not require friction modifiers for fuel economy and for better clutch friction less/no friction modifier is optimum. Motorcycle oils allow the use of higher levels of antiwear additives such as ZDDP (phosphorous).檔車機車可以容許較高的ZDDP(磷 phosphorus)
上文大概的意思為
檔車機車Motorcycle 的引擎與變速箱設計為一體,都是由引擎機油來潤環此兩個系統
但是機車引擎與檔車機車變速箱對機油添加劑的性能要求卻是相反
對汽車噴射引擎機油也就是指單獨針對檔車機車引擎的部分來說,省油與對排氣處理統(包含含氧感知器的使用壽命)為最優先考量(剛好與噴射引擎速可達機車SCOTTER或稱為小綿羊的機車要求相同,使用乾式離合器皮帶傳動,機油不會影響離合器的性能)
所以汽車噴射引擎機油的含磷 phosphorus量必須降低並且使用一些摩擦調整劑( friction modifiers )降低引擎零件運轉時的磨差阻力,並減少活塞環與汽缸壁的摩差,提供省油性能,最適合噴射引擎速可達機車SCOTTER或稱為小綿羊的機車使用
摩擦調整劑( friction modifiers )成份大都是 "鉬"
可參考日本HONDA官網的介紹
http://www.honda.co.jp/study-motor/contents/engine-oil/syousai-page/index.html
檔車機車Motorcycle 不需要摩擦調整劑( friction modifiers )來提高省油性,同時防止檔車機車濕式離合器打滑,因為檔車機車的離合器設計為浸泡在機油中,也不適合在機油中添加摩擦調整劑( friction modifiers )
ZDDP 便宜但是不環保
現在有很多環保型的抗磨損添加劑 來取代ZDDP
如 硼酸 來取代 ZDDP
可參考下列資料
http://baike.baidu.com/view/2688315.html?fromTaglist
http://www.chemdrug.com/databases/7_15_wcgbtcvwjcsraldj.html
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