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Olympus承諾仍將繼續維持4/3系統-dpreview訪談2010/2/23

There is ONE reason that the AF speed of EP series (Olympus) will always be slower than Lumix G series (Panasonic) and we didn't mention much here on this forum:

Olympus has to Support most of the 4/3 lenses (because most of them its from themselves) with limited AF ability so most of the 4/3 lenses still has AF function in their M4/3 body

while

Panasonic choose not to backward compatible anything thats with slow AF speed at all, of course they didn't had alot of 4/3 lenses anyway. EVEN one of the 4/3 lenses that alot of 4/3 user likes (and owned) - The Leica D 14-50 f2.8-3.5 ASPH
They choose NOT to support this lenses - one from their own they abandon their 4/3 load, start fresh and all in into the M4/3 system to come up with a new fast AF system. (And did a very good job - anyone remember their L1?)

Due to this reason the Gs will always be faster than the EPs

Ref.
A link for Panasonic G series AF compatibility
A link for Olympus EP series AF compatibility
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Although both companies make M4/3 cameras/lenses (Or maybe more will join in the future, let's pray together) they choose to go different ways:

The Olympus's - EPs are more for people who already had experience with photography (Especially if you are a 4/3 or any old MF lenses system user) due to:
1) 4/3 backward compatibility
2) built-in IS for any lenses (Or the rumor we discuss this week - the holy grail AF adapter ring)
3) More professional/custom setting's in the menu (but a drawback for newbies e.g. my gf she likes the GF-1 menu more than the EP-1, she thinks that the EP's menu is too too too complicated and give up on using it)

The Panasonic's - Gs on the other hand are more for users upgrade from DCs due to:
1) More user friendly menu compare to the Olympus's
2) Faster AF speed (One feature that ANYONE will think that it is a BETTER camera DIRECTLY)*anyone - people don't know anything about camera at all "One of the M4/3 system's PRIMARY target user"
3) Better LCD screen (Another feature that INSTANTLY wins for all) - when I go out take pictures with my gf, she checks the photo I took on the EP-1 and always said "how come the photos you took are so blurry/ugly"

DSLR -> M4/3 --- Olympus EPs
DC -> M4/3 --- Panasonic Gs

Olympus try to use the EP-L1 to cover its gap I don't think it can win the GF-1 in many many ways

As for 4/3 system's future without the mirror - please add ALL the wishes we discussed so far
1) built in AF for all lenses AND FAST
2) 3CCD senors with very high pixel/ISO
3) built in shift n tilt
4) kick ass EVF
5) Kick ass flip/turn LCD
6) kick ass HD video with no time limit
7) shutterless

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*I have a EP-1 for myself and a GF-1 for my gf so that we can go and take pictures together and I don't have any 4/3 lenses so we love the GF-1 more due to the reasons I stated above and waiting on the upcoming G2/GH2
But I'll always pray for Olympus to come up with some crazy ideas e.g. AF adapter ring so please and also for god's sake upgrading the LCD ASAP or else Not to mention their 3 months Per upgrade(EP-2)/price drop(EP-L1)........

my plan: (I don't have most of these items, they are just plans/dreams)
GF-1 for GF use only
G2/GH2 for my own use
EP-1 or EP-XXX for:
1) MF old lenses, maybe some prime 4/3 lenses and any other lenses
2) when I think the G2/GH2 is too big under some condition and
3) Most importantly - serves as a 2nd body and take with me when needed, so I don't have to change lenses often. *G2/GH2 with zoom lenses (e.g 14-45, 14-42, 14-140, 14-150, 45-200, 100-300 etc....) and EP-1/XXX with wide angle (e.g. 7-14, 9-18) or fixed focal (e.g. 20 f1.7,17 f2.8 etc....) or anything else (e.g. Leica's, Zeiss's, lensbaby's, fisheyes's, shift n tilt's etc..........dreaming)

End of article - I just want to share my thoughts so please don't "mouth cannon" with me, I'm just a newbie trying to learn how to take pictures. Thanks for reading and discuss together. Let's together
O家承諾能信嗎?
最近...E-P1剛出 說最近沒有新機.....
m9-18說要比對手便宜50% 結果定價+遮光罩...
我實在不能認同他們開口承諾的事情阿
casperlee wrote:
O家承諾能信嗎?最近...(恕刪)



是大大您看不透阿
所謂"最近"指的是一兩個月內
而"承諾"是一輩子,期間是無窮盡的遠阿

casperlee wrote:
最近...E-P1剛出 說最近沒有新機.....
m9-18說要比對手便宜50% 結果定價+遮光罩...

這兩點應該讓很多人很大
尤其9-18...鏡頭+遮光罩算一算也沒比7-14便宜多少
講一百萬次不放棄某某系統, 還不如真槍實彈出個 E-XXX 相機, 鏡頭照 roadmap 出 100mm Macro, 假如連自己給的 roadmap 都做不到, 去跟全世界任何一個媒體專訪 N 次, 有用嗎 ?
B.B.club wrote:
講一百萬次不放棄某某...(恕刪)

不放棄不代表要馬上出啊
遊戲 Duke Nukem Forever (永遠的毀滅公爵) 也從來都沒有放棄推出啊

meridian wrote:
不放棄不代表要馬上出啊
遊戲 Duke Nukem Forever (永遠的毀滅公爵) 也從來都沒有放棄推出啊


您這不是說反話嗎 ? 暗諷 Olympus 和某家遊戲公司一樣..........."誠信" ---- 林洋港寫的一本書的 title.....
meridian 兄的發言一向切中要點...........佩服佩服.........
政治圈裡的承諾
不也都是把人當傻瓜在承諾在乎巄嗎?
不承認不代表承認
不否認也不代表否認

承諾沒做到大家就不要買它的帳
有這麼難嗎?
有,如果你可以忍住不買O記的產品
就一點都不難

錶消費者這件事情
P記都把自己當初43建立的鏡頭群給拋棄
請問P記有給購買的使用者什麼道歉嗎?
等P願意給消費者誠心的道歉和減價方案
或許我才會考慮考慮
不然我寧可給O記錶囉
E-3+E-P1
guowai818 wrote:
錶消費者這件事情
P記都把自己當初43建立的鏡頭群給拋棄
請問P記有給購買的使用者什麼道歉嗎?
等P願意給消費者誠心的道歉和減價方案
或許我才會考慮考慮
不然我寧可給O記錶囉


P家4/3總共出幾顆鏡頭,又不是無法用在M4/3上,L1與L10也都可以用,也可以給O家4/3(M4/3)用,何來拋棄。也許你是說P放棄4/3,為何不想成是改良成更好的產品,它也作到了(M4/3),鏡頭還是可以用。

老實說,P官方沒說過放棄4/3,就如同O現在所要澄清的事一樣。O現在也是要把舊4/3轉型,不能說改良,因為改的怎樣還不能確定,至少會改是肯定,至少P的4/3到M4/3是改良的非常成功,連O也跟進大賣。O此舉照你的說法不也是放棄原先的4/3,O的鏡頭還更多,你認為O此舉也是拋棄嗎?O以前也砍掉重練過,你認為他有道歉過啥?

不曉得你在訴求什麼道歉與降價。比較起O的一些事蹟與現今售價,才是要願意道歉與降價吧。
O家E-P1/2賣得普遍比P貴(EPL1連自家E-P都打,當然除外),單機身比P貴,鏡頭素質與對焦都不如P,對焦輸是鏡頭馬達太差,所以價格比P便宜一點也是理所當然,機身效能也是輸,說到畫質DP評測有JPG與RAW的分數,GF1與E-P1說半斤八兩還有點抬舉O(O的JPG畫質比P好一點點,但RAW卻是輸很大,E-P1的JPG或RAW都差距GF1的RAW太大,高ISO看似GF1輸E-P1,但是DP量測實際ISO就是有差異,GF1都比E-P1偏高,最後分數ISO部份也沒差異很大,GF1更新韌體高ISO有進步,差異更縮小),對焦性能O的整體性能跟DC差不多,P至少接近DSLR,所以定位就不同,用DC換到E-P感覺畫質差異最主要,性能沒差多少,用DC換到G系就有換到DSL的感覺,這就是定位差異,那O的價格很合理?

你願意給O裱也是你的事(E-P1),沒人逼你或求你一定要買P不是嗎。
按你的心態,我覺得可以不用考慮P了。






這篇內容也許會讓O的用戶不爽,不用來戰畫質或對焦,沒意義。
B.B.club wrote:
假如連自己給的 roadmap 都做不到...(恕刪)




50-150mm F3.5-5.6 OIS 和 45mm F2.0 OIS Marco這兩支也是再也沒有出現過。

100mm F2 macro遲遲生不出來,除去Olympus是否有意放棄4/3以及內部資源分配的考量外,理由大概也不難想見。即使在還沒m43前,14-35mm F2當初也是生了很久很久才問世,若是100mm F2 macro的畫質有銀環鏡水準,按照O的龜毛程度,難產也不是在預料之外的。何況,現在這個時期推新鏡,要考慮的問題就更多了,像是要不要支援對比對焦?要不要配合錄影功能,特別處理AF時的靜音問題?目前的SWD馬達能達到以上要求嗎?當年的90mm F2 macro是Olympus手動鏡中的招牌經典銘鏡,到了數位時代,O要推100mm F2 macro,應該也不想砸了招牌吧!
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