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【西西分享】左打全幅機 右打微型單眼?---富士Fujifilm X-Pro1


scsiraid wrote:
是嗎?請看以下兩個連結 : ( 搜尋字 : 5D, D700 )
有許多人是本來用 Nikon D700, 或者是 Canon 5D2,用了 x-pro1之後愛不釋手,並且有不少人把 D700, 5D2賣了,因為他們覺得 x-pro 1 的 畫質跟 D700, 或 5D2 一樣好,甚至超越。 他們當中有些人還是職業攝影師
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41620058
http://mansurovs.com/fuji-x-pro1-image-samples
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41184974...(恕刪)


可以請您把討論串中 "x-pro 1 的 畫質跟 D700, 或 5D2 一樣好,甚至超越。" 的引言提出嗎?
弟只有看到FF畫質仍然完勝, 其中一位賣掉D700的網友是因為正在等D800E的到來.
^^A 請多多指教~
阿pentax wrote:
scsiraid :...(恕刪)


抱歉了我沒有仔細看, tnj86 這位職業攝影師用 x-pro 1 去Chicago, Denver 拍 architecture 的工作

"I spent the last 8 days in Denver and Chicago shooting architectural assignments and the xpro-1 went everywhere with me when I had down time and the D800 stayed in the hotel room in the bag."

link : http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41620058

但是我想他不會用 x-pro 1 去拍球賽
MUS wrote:
可以請您把討論串中 ...(恕刪)


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以下的評論都來自於這個連結,但是是不同的使用者 :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41620058

My conclusion is that, I will not give up my FF camera because of the quality glasses available. I will use X-Pro1 as a travel or walk around camera. Both of the systems can produce the best IQ, and the lenses are excellent. (他認為 D700 和 XP1 能夠產生最好的 IQ, 我想他的意思就是兩者相同)
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I love mine. I used my D700 for the first time today since I got the X Pro. I'm going out again in about an hour. The D700 is staying at home.
You won't notice a difference on the IQ. ( 他認為看不出來 D700和 XP1 畫質的不同 )
Also- You really should get the 35mm F1.4 Nikon.
The IQ on Fuji 35 and 60 is as good as a G series.
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Comparing a D700 and XP1 shot at ISO25,600, it is pretty much a wash. If anything, the XP1 is less problematic. ( 他認為在 ISO 256000, XP1 勝出, 並且如果有問題的話,XP1 問題較少 )
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AF speed aside, I find that the XP1 pictures are generally as sharp or shaper than the D700 and that it hits the right white balance much more consistently, particularly under difficult mixed lighting when the D700 will almost invariably get it wrong. Contrast etc is comparable - I love the contrast of the 50mm AFS on the Nikon and I get a similar feel using the 35mm on the Fuji.
( 他認為 XP1 比 D700 同樣的銳利或更加銳利, 並且 XP1 的白平衡更加穩定一致,特別是在光源是混雜的時候,D700 總是會搞錯,並且這兩者對比相當 )
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Under the worst shooting conditions imaginable, I have seen perceptible banding on high contrast subject matter with the D700 and rather colourful noise. I have seen none of this with the XP1, even though I have only JPEGs at that setting. Both cameras deliver.
( 他發現在拍照情況很不好的時候,D700 在高對比的情況下會產生banding 和顏色的雜訊,但是XP1 卻不會 )
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I was starting to wonder whether to sell my D700 having been blown away by the IQ and wonderful portability of the X100, and I'd been starting to have thoughts about an exchange of my Nikon gear to an X-pro 1. ( 這個人他開始在想要不要把 D700 賣掉,因為X100在畫質 (IQ)上贏過D700,所以他想去買 XP1)
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另外我又在 Fujifilm 的 Fujifilm SLR/X100 Talk 搜尋 "D700", 得到以下的結果 :

"The high iso is fantastic, on par or better than my D700 which is no slouch. " --- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41656040&changemode=1
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I find the X Pro is every bit as good as the D700. In fact I've stopped using my D700 because quite frankly I can't justify lugging it around when the Fuji is just as good. The 35mm and 60mm are stunningly good lenses. --- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=41564027 ( 他認為XP1的每一點 ( 在畫質上) 都跟 D700一樣好,他已經沒有在用D700,因為既然一樣好,幹嘛背這麼重 )
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I'm not complaining anyway. Compared to my D7000, its (XP1) in a different league and in good light I think it beats the D700 for DR. For long exposures, I actually think it's better. ---from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41564027&changemode=1
( 跟 D7000 比起來,XP1 完全是不同的等級,他甚至認為XP1在 DR (dynamic range) 勝過 D700,並且在長曝的情況,勝過 D700 )
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I am so happy with the JPEG's the camera (XP1) produces that I haven't even used my D700 since I got it. ---from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41529342&changemode=1 ( 因為自從買了XP1之後,XP1 所產生的 JPEGs 使得他沒有再使用 D700 )
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I bought an Xpro1 a month ago. Since then I have not used my D700 or J1 and sold my D7000 and all my APSC Nikon lenses. I am keeping the D700 for gigs and band photos, but the Xpro1 comes with me everywhere. ---from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41521651&changemode=1
( 自從一個月前他買了 XP1之後,他就沒有再使用過 D700, 並且把 D7000 和 APSC 的鏡頭都賣掉了,我想他是認為 XP1 也是 APSC 的 sensor,所以就賣掉 D7000 )
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I got my 800e a week after I got The XP1. The 800e is gathering dust. I'm infatuated with the Fuji! --- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41520703&page=1
( 他有 D800E,但是自從他有了 XP1之後, D800E就被放在那裏收集灰塵 )
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it's many thinghs.....people need to use it to understand...i was attracted only by the amazing quality of the photo's and the skin tones..for my work is a great back up i thought...now i thingh the back up will be my d700!!--- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41486480&changemode=1 ( 他被XP1 所展現的美麗的膚色吸引, 他本來是想要用 XP1 作備用機,但是後來他又想 D700 才是應該做備用機)
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It will produce IQ which compares well with the D700 at high ISO and has better DR and detail at low ISO ---from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41453602&changemode=1 ( XP1 可以產生的畫質在高 ISO 和 D700 是伯仲之間的,但是在低 ISO, XP1有更好的動態範圍 (DR) 和細節
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我又在 Fujifilm 的 Fujifilm SLR/X100 Talk 搜尋 "5D2", 得到以下的結果 :
Yup, see point immediately above. Shadow detail is stunningly good and noise-free, kicks the butt of my 5D2.--- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=41632834
( 他認為在暗部的細節 XP1 是令人驚訝的好,並非沒有雜訊,勝過他的 5D2 )
I tried the Fuji, loved the image quality which on AWB and high ISO is superior to the 5D2
For full disclosure we have two 5D2s and a 30D and a closet full of Canon glass --- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41501026&changemode=1
( 他用過 Fuji XP1,喜歡它的畫質,它的畫質在自動白平衡和高 ISO 的表現超越 5D2,他有兩台5D2, 一台 30D,和堆滿了一個衣櫃的 Canon 鏡頭 )

對不起,我花了一個多小時去找、去讀這些東西,我眼睛累了,找這些有點辛苦,閣下可以花一點時間,我相信可以找出更多類似的東西
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另外我又用 "NEX" 搜尋, 得到以下的結果 :
X-pro 1 is better than NEX 7 in IQ ( image quality )
While the X-Pro1 clearly beats the NEX-7 in handling fine detail, it's not the lack of the AA filter that is the big contributor: it's the excellent Fujifilm lenses compared to the (mostly) mediocre Sony ones. The worst Fujifilm lens (18mm) is as good as the best Sony lens (24mm). ---- from http://www.sansmirror.com/cameras/a-note-about-camera-reviews/fujifilm-x-pro1.html
( XP1 在細節的部分很清楚地打敗了 NEX 7, 並不是因為 AA filter,而是因為 Fuji 有極其優秀的 鏡頭,和 Sony 的鏡頭比較起來的話, Fujifilm 最爛的鏡頭 18mm 都和 Sony 最好的鏡頭 24mm 一樣好,
Thom Hogan 是一位蠻被尊敬的攝影師,這是他寫的評論 )
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I tried out the NEX 7 and while it's a great camera, the Fuji has better IQ. --- from http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&message=41611432&changemode=1
( 我試用 NEX-7 這個很棒的相機,而 Fuji (XP1) 有比較好的畫質 )
DPreview.com 是被公認極具權威的網站
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另外有一個連結關於 XP1 值得一看
http://www.prophotonut.com/2012/05/07/fujifilm-x-pro1-first-findings/#more-11066
反覆看了樓主的po照....沒有一張具有{迷人的色調}....不知道一堆人,跟著喊燒...再喊些什麼?
在mobile 01,說些無關痛癢的話就行了, 咱不能不留個心眼,以免禍從口出....
很認同您的,相機日常使用用途,請問一下這台暗處對焦的速度如何?
想把o家的E620換掉,就是因為暗處對焦太慢了,麻煩您分享了,謝謝
scsiraid wrote:
以下的評論都來自於這個連結,但是是不同的使用者 :
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41620058...(恕刪)

不曉得為什麼看到這些評論腦中就浮現購物頻道畫面,全部都是我覺得、我認為、受尊敬的攝影師...
D700才12MP,細節輸XP1還說得過去,NEX-7的24MP畫質還輸就有點危言聳聽
既然DPreview.com 是被公認極具權威的網站,我們就來看看該網站的實拍圖,而不要用感覺帶過
左:NEX-7 右:XP1 iso 200










這叫"XP1 在細節的部分很清楚地打敗了 NEX 7"??

以下 左:NEX-7 右:XP1 iso 3200








雖然nex高iso表現差強人意,低iso畫質相信大家有目共睹
至於發色個人喜好不同就不討論了,但電視台大量使用的sony,在色彩管理上不會太差
這些nex測試照都是sony dt 50/1.8拍攝,也不會比fuji差,更何況 24/1.8za
http://www.facebook.com/photo.yansson
NEX7 顔色對比、比較重。


剛剛我將5D2與X-PRO1比較完了。

細節個人認為5D2稍勝、ISO 3200下 5D2乾淨稍許

scsiraid wrote:
抱歉了我沒有仔細看,...(恕刪)



都說了只有畫質能接近
還把球賽拉進來比...............
yansson wrote:


http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=41620058...(恕刪)
不曉得為什麼看到這些評論腦中就浮現購物頻道畫面,全部都是我覺得、我認為、受尊敬的攝影師...
D700才12MP,細節輸XP1還說得過去,NEX-7的24MP畫質還輸就有點危言聳聽
既然DPreview.com 是被公認極具權威的網站,我們就來看看該網站的實拍圖,而不要用感覺帶過
左:NEX-7 右:XP1 iso 200










這叫"XP1 在細節的部分很清楚地打敗了 NEX 7"??

以下 左:NEX-7 右:XP1 iso 3200








雖然nex高iso表現差強人意,低iso畫質相信大家有目共睹
至於發色個人喜好不同就不討論了,但電視台大量使用的sony,在色彩管理上不會太差
這些nex測試照都是sony dt 50/1.8拍攝,也不會比fuji差,更何況 24/1.8za...(恕刪)





Nex7用過後真的很棒、但剛剛上面的顔色對比上應將X-PRO1調定一下你就知道了
yansson wrote:
不曉得為什麼看到這些...(恕刪)


樓上認真了

ptt的八卦板有一種無聊的玩法
當發文都沒人看的時候
就採取一些怪手段

比如說
1.討罵的標題
2.明明是男的還自稱小妹,甚至盜連別人的相簿
3.反串的內文

這樣才會有人注意

有點常識的,也知道這種比法是自找麻煩
還到處發
ptt也發,eprice也發,unboxing也一篇………


15層了,想必原作一定很開心
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