pigeonking wrote:You maybe working in IT. But if you have some sense of systematic way of trouble shooting concept, then you would exclude this 推測 in the beginning. Or maybe you just don't have enough knowledge to 推測
有沒有可能是os的原因導致無法發揮硬體效能??這是我個人的推測，然而這個推測正不正確，如果你是IT業界的從業人員，我相信你不會排除這個可能性。
然而從你的言行中可以看出，你並不是IT業內人，你也不懂為何會有這個可能性。
1. WM (previously called Win CE) is there for more than 10 yrs. It exist much earlier than this qualcomm CPU. If MS already provide API standard for driver developer long before this CPU, then who should be the one to blame if some company is not following the existing standard? (or not providing the driver w/ the hardware)
2. Other hardware accelerator for WM like Intel 2700G on Dell Axim x50v/x51v, G-smart T600 do not have this problem in normal use. With software that can take advantage of that (e.g. TCPMP) They perform almost 4 times(!!) faster (http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=225&t=358344) w/ video playback. Currently, only devices w/ this Qualcomm CPU perform much worst than devices even without any accelerator in Directdraw. Then who should we blame? MS, HTC (or Qualcomm)?
My SE X1 rom-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=471
David Yang wrote:
然而要求HTC要覺醒，其實關鍵在消費者要先覺醒，看到一些人，有意無意地為HTC辯護的這些言論，才是真正令人失望之所在。什麼樹大招風，眼紅... 唉~ 差矣差矣。
2ujil wrote:
我覺得不要忽略了PDA的本質...買家忍受了些許的不便隨身帶了比較大隻的手機.
為了是什麼..還不就是看上了PDA Phone強大的多媒體影音撥放.軟體擴充.上網.導航..等等的多功能.
真的要說不在意video的播放效能差.那是騙人的...
那麼還不如去使用一般便宜的3G手機就可以了.何必花大錢買PDA Phone又受氣
100% agree..
My SE X1 rom-> http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=471
HTC應該是不打算提供現有產品的driver了...只能看看之後出的會不會有了......
jackleung wrote:
You maybe working in IT. But if you have some sense of systematic way of trouble shooting concept, then you would exclude this 推測 in the beginning. Or maybe you just don't have enough knowledge to 推測
1. WM (previously called Win CE) is there for more than 10 yrs. It exist much earlier than this qualcomm CPU. If MS already provide API standard for driver developer long before this CPU, then who should be the one to blame if some company is not following the existing standard? (or not providing the driver w/ the hardware)
2. Other hardware accelerator for WM like Intel 2700G on Dell Axim x50v/x51v, G-smart T600 do not have this problem in normal use. With software that can take advantage of that (e.g. TCPMP) They perform almost 4 times(!!) faster (http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=225&t=358344) w/ video playback. Currently, only devices w/ this Qualcomm CPU perform much worst than devices even without any accelerator in Directdraw. Then who should we blame? MS, HTC (or Qualcomm)?
Hello,Jack:
Firstly, I should appreciate your help in eten m600 usb host issue and etc. From this, I know you are a professional pda player and a good hand at this aspect.
The link you gave us:http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=225&t=358344, from this link I only get one conclusion: if the application software(ex:3rd app,like tcpmp or other 3D games) can support the HW image acceleration, then we can have great image/video performance. So I presume a condition: If the os doesn't support the HW image/video accerleration?? (for example: you have a 2d game, if you play it on a pc with 3d acceleration card, you will get the same performance as you play it on a pc with 2d image card. But we should have a condition: the 3d card's 2d performance is as well as the 2d card's performance.)
and you said:
Currently, only devices w/ this Qualcomm CPU perform much worst than devices even without any accelerator in Directdraw. Then who should we blame? MS, HTC (or Qualcomm)?
from this, I get one conclusion: the qualcomm cpu's performance is not as well as other cpu's performance. Although qualcomm cpu has 400mhz speed, compare to other cpu, maybe the 400mhz qualcomm cpu is slower than other cpu with 400mhz(ex:eten m600's samsung cpu). So I guess that the pure cpu performance of qualcomm is worst than other cpu. If this was true, who should be blamed?
About the "knowledge issue", I confess that I don't have a lot of knowledge about everything, including pda issue. I just want to bring up what I know now, maybe what I know is not correct. But if others said "you know nothing and you pretend you know everything" or "what you said make me laugh", like this, I don't think it's a good way to discuss. Maybe we just "bring up what you know and discuss if it's correct or not".
finally, appreciate your contribution in pda field again.
"HTC ....(原文刪節) do not anticipate including any additional support for the video issues cited in customer complaints. It is important for customers to understand that bringing this functionality to market is not a trivial driver update and requires extensive software development and time."
「對遭致客戶抱怨的視訊問題，HTC 並無計畫提供任何額外的支援。客戶必須了解要將此功能引入市場需要的不只是簡單的驅動程式更新，而需要廣泛的軟體研發及時間。」
" To make an informed decision about which handset suits them best, consumers should look at the product specification itself instead of using the underlying chipset specifications to define what the product could potentially become."
「客戶應該查看產品規格本身，而非依據所使用的晶片組規格來定義產品的潛在效能。」
所以是在怪客戶就對了，我們看不懂 HTC 神奇的研發技術為什麼在產品缺乏「廣泛的軟體研發及時間」就先出貨
，也不應該預期 HTC 的產品效能應該跟前代一樣或超越前代? 反正下次 HTC 沒有白紙黑字寫在盒子上的東西，我們通通要檢查一下? 下次如果有人要買 HTC 的手機，是不是應該檢查一下有沒有通訊錄、行事曆、簡訊、螢幕背光、耳機插孔跟其他我們以為一定會有的功能？如果 HTC 這代產品在缺乏「廣泛的軟體研發及時間」的狀況下依然可以出貨、不打算處理也沒有被告，我們憑甚麼要相信下一代的 HTC 產品不會比照辦理?
這篇應該置頂的，也許不是所有人，但很多人購買 PDA 手機的決定顯然會受到顯示效能的影響。
小弟目前是用k800i,去年九月時想換pda手機,那時相中etenx500+,正在考慮畤得知x800的效息,所以就一直痴痴的等,等到了11月終於出了~可是看來執行效能還有很大改進空間,也不過再等2個月就又盼到這支上市,目前整體看來,很符合我的需求,只是這問題的存在到底對我影響有多大,因為我也還沒看到實際的影響,目前還在觀望,只是很9月這樣一路找手機逛個論壇下來,個人覺的任何手機總是有其擁護者和批評者,在完美,只要想找缺點,就一定挑的出毛病(當然不是說每個批評的人都是亂批評),不妨等實機出來看看影響程度,仔細審視自己的需求才比較實際吧~
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