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更新:國外機油發展現況及趨勢討論,飛踢台灣神油的假象及技倆~~

上星期北上出差星期六巧遇台灣Brembo總代理黃董愛車要保養換油,順便學習超級跑車如何保養換油.請黃董能全程拍照往後能廣告黃董爽快答應要如何拍照都可以,等這一天已經很久了.和黃董閒聊中他問我你們家機油到底裡面放甚麼成份就是耐操5000km還不會衰退真好用,黃董這台大牛引進口不久使用手冊上原廠規範油,跑不到1000km不敢在開下去提早來換油,他說原廠油很爛中間機油燈亮過加過兩瓶機油,車上機油壓力錶只要一操錶針往下降在0.8他擔心會出問題引擎.開起來提心吊膽怕縮缸,他說你們家機油如何操機油壓力都不會掉(黃董有三台超跑:一台保時捷750HP都加德力機油)黃董百思不解問我你們德力機油不是大油廠生產而是一家德國小油廠生產出來比大廠好用,跟他講一大堆機油原理一時他聽不懂,他說產品好用最要緊,能讓他激烈操駕而5000KM不衰退只有德力機油這支油品.他是一家大公司大老闆全台客戶都有不缺油商,唯獨選擇德力他說很簡單能讓他操5000KM不衰退就是好產品.欣慰是德力產品取得客戶信賴,我也告訴黃董產品成份真材實料.要拍超跑不好拍幾乎都拒絕隱私權.小公司也有好產品,我們對客戶一視同仁只要大馬力超跑測試OK一般街車更沒有問題.

請到德力網站瀏覽-----

monguly wrote:
被Pink Floy...(恕刪)


身為使用此油的人,也希望你繼續幫我們問問看囉^^

不過,德國官網列出的台灣區代理商與台灣這邊總代理,地址電話都無誤.
應該不會有假油的危機.

我自己這邊有的是10W40 15W40 還有準備想試用的10W50 跟 10W60
都跟官網一模一樣.圖也相同.Q跟官網一樣~比較肥圓

你貼的那個是汽車的~我沒有實體.不過比起懷疑,會不會是包裝更新的問題?
網站沒同步?





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dleoil wrote:
上星期北上出差星期六...(恕刪)


這次沒有說機油用手搓搓很古溜了喔?!

口碑是要從客戶口中講才算口碑,從業務口中講就變吹噓了...

超跑算什麼?!你知道輸馬克都開他的F-1到我們廠換油,他說換別家的油,害他輸掉好幾場F-1賽事,換我們家的油後,場場跑第一!呵呵!
好心沒好報,誠摯終召嫉.....
閒閒無聊,花了2天看完整篇的討論,
只覺得台灣似乎是個快樂的詐騙小島!
很多人靠這一行吃飯,而很多人卻也因此付出不少心力在防止詐騙得逞.
最近看到報導,大陸有一位女富豪,因吸金過多,卻經營不善,導致事業體瓦解,被求處死刑.
之前美國的馬多夫被判刑150年,
而台灣的葉素菲才判刑14年,
由此看來,台灣真真正正是個快樂的詐騙小島!!!

很多的德國品牌水箱精及歐洲車廠都是向德國化工大廠BASF巴斯夫購買BASF Glysantin®系列水箱精,然後在自己的德國鐵皮屋工廠,分裝成自己的品牌,剎車油也是

德國化工大廠BASF巴斯福與中國中石化有在中國南京設廠稱為揚子石化-巴斯夫有限責任公司生產水箱精原料乙二醇 及 機油黏度改善劑viscosity improver additives 二乙二醇含量(DEG) 三乙二醇含量(TEG)


潤滑油添加劑
超越化工的價值

BASF為您提供一整套的潤滑油解決方案。無論您採用溶劑精製,加氫處理還是全合成的基礎油,我們都有相應的解決方案。我們的產品包括IRGANOX® 抗氧劑, IRGAMET®金屬鈍化劑,IRGACOR®防銹劑,IRGALUBE® 及IRGAFOS® 極壓抗磨劑,以及適用於各種工業潤滑油的複合劑。
我們致力於發展新的添加劑技術,以迎合潤滑油工業和燃料工業中不斷湧現的新興需求

http://www.greater-china.basf.com/apex/GChina/GChina/zh_TW/content/BASF-China/1.2_Products_and_Industries/Performance_Products/Auto_and_Oil/Lube_Oil
台灣BASF巴斯夫地址:台灣高雄縣大寮鄉大發工業


http://www.basf-ypc.com.cn/

http://www.greater-china.basf.com/apex/GChina/GChina/zh_TW/content/BASF-China/1.2_Products_and_Industries/Performance_Products/Auto_and_Oil/Automotive_Fluides

http://www.basf-ypc.com.cn/cn/products/eo_eg_ldpe.html

http://www.glysantin-der-schutz-garant.de/15-1-Products-Overview.html

http://www.glysantin-der-schutz-garant.de/?referrer=AZOMDOTCOM

http://worldaccount.basf.com/wa/EU~en_GB/Catalog/Chemicals/pi/BASF/Brand/glysantin/brand_top/

Different products, different protection mechanisms?
It is not just different colors that distinguish the products in the Glysantin® range. Rather it is the different packages of additives and inhibitors, each of which is tailored to the different cooling system requirements and the materials used in the cooling systems.

Basically, there are three different technologies in use today:
Hybrid coolants (usually greenish-blue)
Here, to put it simply, inorganic and organic inhibitors are responsible for protecting against corrosion.
BMW, Mercedes and a few other automotive manufacturers, including vehicles made by the VW Group up until 1996, use this type of coolant.*

The corresponding BASF products are:
Glysantin® G48®
Glysantin® G05®

OAT coolants (usually reddish-violet)
Here, organic salts are responsible for protecting against corrosion.
Opel, PSA and vehicles made by the VW Group up until 2007 work with this technology. The coolants used in most Japanese vehicles are very similar to this technology.

The corresponding BASF products are:
Glysantin® G30®
Glysantin® G33®
Glysantin® G34®

Si-OAT coolants of the latest generation (usually reddish-violet)
As a result of completely different manufacturing processes, these combine the advantages of hybrid and OAT in a coolant with improved protection against corrosion. In 2008, all types of vehicles counted under the VW Group were changed over to this new technology on the production lines; some models with large engines were even changed over slightly earlier (vehicles built from 2006). So always pay very close attention to the manufacturer's instructions.

The corresponding BASF product is:
Glysantin® G40®

What happens if the wrong coolant is used or if coolants are mixed?
The wrong coolant in the wrong vehicle can gradually lead to serious damage to the water pump, radiator, hoses and cylinder head gasket. In the worst case, this can in turn cause damage to the engine.
If different coolants are mixed together, the different additive packages can interfere with each other's performance, resulting in considerably poorer protection against corrosion.

Intervals between changes
Corrosion inhibitors, pH buffers etc. get used up and age over time. That is why we recommend a complete change of coolant every 3-4 years.
It is also strongly advisable to clean the cooling system and change the coolant completely whenever repairs are carried out to the cooling system and parts replaced, in order to prevent foreign matter (rust, dirt, particles) from remaining in the system and causing damage.

Engine coolants and the automotive manufacturers' warranties
Officially approved coolants can be replaced or changed during the warranty period without affecting the automotive manufacturer's warranty.
However, if unapproved coolants are used during the warranty period, this can lead to immediate forfeiture of rights to claim under an automotive manufacturer's warranty.

BASF Glysantin G 30也有MB325.3認證,想要分裝的大大可考慮購買來稀釋分裝自創品牌
http://img1.toocle.com/uppic/a/5d/30/5d30b9894cda4519ae289fd48ab7a408-109756.pdf


全球各車系水箱經認證規範
http://www.glysantin-der-schutz-garant.de/files/basf_glysantin_approval-code-overview_a4_e_1.pdf

水箱精有保存期限,要注意製造日期,要小心如同機油一樣,不要買到被商人改過保存期限的分奘商品
BASF巴斯福的水箱精不開封,可保存三年
http://www.glysantin-der-schutz-garant.de/21-1-Frequently-asked-questions.html#


很多德國品牌鐵罐裝的四號煞車油 DOT 4 煞車油也是購買德國化工大廠BASF巴斯夫BASF Hydraulan ®四號煞車油來分裝的
http://worldaccount.basf.com/wa/EU~en_GB/Catalog/Chemicals/pi/BASF/Brand/hydraulan

http://www.performancechemicals.basf.com/ev-wcms-in/internetPreview/en_GB/function/conversions:/publish/content/EV/EV3/products_markets/automotive_fluids/brake_fluids/hydraulan/pdf/Hydraulan_en.pdf

車廠煞車油認證
http://www.performancechemicals.basf.com/ev-wcms-in/internetPreview/en_GB/portal/hydraulan/content/EV/EV3/products_markets/automotive_fluids/brake_fluids/hydraulan/products_approvals


德國化工大廠BASF巴斯夫的汽油添加劑快樂跑Keropur®

日趨先進的汽車技術和不斷升級的環保法規對油品質量提出了更高的要求。Keropur®是由巴斯夫
專家研發,經過全面測試的添加劑,可顯著提高油品質量,特別是清淨性。它可以去除已生成的積
炭,並保持發動機供油系統清潔,使發動機處於最佳的工作狀態。多年來,巴斯夫與國際多家石油
和汽車公司開展深入合作,不斷改良產品技術。

使用Keropur®能給駕駛者並帶來更好的駕駛體驗,如減少油耗和尾氣排放,延長發動機使用壽命。
對石油公司,可使其產品具有差異化的特點,滿足市場和低碳環保的要求。

http://www.greater-china.basf.com/apex/GChina/GChina/zh_TW/content/BASF-China/1.2_Products_and_Industries/Performance_Products/Auto_and_Oil/Fuel_Additive

http://img.b2b.hc360.com/handbook/3-0-1553530.pdf
這篇討論有些資訊還不錯~~~
給開版大跟花時間找資料參與討論跟的人拍手!!!
dleoil wrote:
上星期北上出差星期六...(恕刪)


看著你的圖片我真的要搖搖頭了
很難想像一家大公司的老闆會在這種佈滿灰塵
旁邊還有一個檜木浴缸的地方保養超跑?

保養超跑,機油罐居然是如此隨便擺在引擎上方
這種行為就算是在 TOYOTA 也是不允許的
真的服了你了

還有麻煩一下你的工人也穿一下工作服
來搬你們家的機油
這樣真的很不好看
還放在你們公司的網站,真的會破壞形象。



chadhsieh wrote:
看著你的圖片我真的要...(恕刪)


這我也要推一下
沒有說機油品質不好
但看到這種服務品質
真的會搖頭
看了就覺得髒

grgr2222 wrote:
這我也要推一下沒有說...(恕刪)


雖然店面漂漂亮亮當然比較好啦XDD

不過這點我得說一下~

漂漂亮亮的店面如YSP , KEN,或A.S.S之類的有裝潢車行,
保養態度與技術就不一定也是成正比這樣..





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偶是比較擔心那超跑長期用沒驗證的油品,
可能添了許多磨擦改善劑或極壓劑,用起來好像很爽,
但日後墊片漏油和機械上的隱疾,就有點麻煩了!
好心沒好報,誠摯終召嫉.....
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