da7230 wrote:
ESP 氣囊數 不是...(恕刪)
你講這個話乍看之下很有道理，但是仔細想想卻不是這樣
並不是消費者買車的立場不同需求不同所以不要單一想法
汽車這種東西就是個交通工具，安全是廠商自己要作好的，
安全是無論消費者立場怎樣都要作好的最基本要求，不是嗎?
安全豈是可以妥協的?更何況安全並不與消費者的想法有牴觸
有氣囊也可以有DVD阿，為何是有錢可以買DVD但是買不到氣囊?
氣囊為何要用買的而不是基本配備?或有買不到
車廠將DVD放在安全前面就代表這個車商已經被政府以及人民
寵壞了，如果我是T牌老闆我也不會花更多成本去裝安全配備
給台灣人的，因為我不想因為多了安全配備成本漲價影響銷售，
而現有的DVD以及雙安銷售策略是成功的，我又何須改變?
台灣的市場消費者會買單，不然美國與日本的銷售策略給他雙安
像台灣這樣的話肯定死很慘，如果我是老闆我不會買兄弟象讓自己每
年虧錢，如果我是T牌老闆我也不會改變現在No.1的銷售策略，因為
就算我沒良心的只給雙安，台灣消費者依舊很捧場，消費者要什麼就給
什麼，想要便宜的車又想要享受影音系統，那麼總要有所犧牲，
是台灣消費者教車廠放棄氣囊改賣DVD的，台灣人消費習慣咎由自取。
因台灣人買車,只看品牌,保值性,天窗,DVD...
有幾個SRS...有沒有ESP...不重要
沒有ESP還在用萬年舊引擎跟4AT的Yaris...買60萬開5年還能賣快40萬
保值性超級好...
有4SRS以上的Ecosport 5年後能賣多少...很多人買車就是看這點...
所以RAV4開那種規格跟價格,還是照樣一堆人買單
只有CRV勉強跟他拼的過
Kuga,Rouge,ix35,Outlander...沒一台是他對手...品牌效應
Cloudy Shiau wrote:
想請問樓主國內安全配.
強制2氣囊為標配的
目前我只知道美國有規定
歐洲並沒有法規強制
我之前對安全配備的一些想法和討論
為何台灣不公佈碰撞測試結果
要強制6氣囊＋ESP為法令也不是不可以
但我想那很難
因為在歐美都沒強制6氣囊
..(恕刪)
美國有法規,加拿大, 澳洲有法規 歐洲也有
http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/Electronic-Stability-Control/
ESC technology is being adopted rapidly by Australian manufacturers and importers – particularly as Victoria has mandated that all new cars registered from January 2011 must be fitted with ESC. This mandate came into effect almost one year ahead of the rest of Australia and also Europe and America. Fitment of ESC has grown enormously since 2004, with the fitment rate increasing from around 12% in 2004 to 76% in early 2011. The highest rate of ESC fitment is in Sweden with a fitment rate of around 96%. Before you choose your next car, be sure to look for models with ESC.
歐洲的瑞典是有強制法規, 2006年起超過90%的新車都配有ESC
歐盟Road safety的網頁
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/esave/esafety_measures_known_safety_effects/electronic_stability_control.htm
Who uses ESC now?
Sweden has been foremost in the national promotion of ESC and in 2006 over 90% of new cars sold in Sweden were fitted with electronic stability control.
Next steps for implementation?
An international group of experts has been set up to agree a harmonised technical specification and test method for a Global Technical Regulation (GTR) on ESC systems intended to be fitted to cars and light vans.
In November 2007, the United Nations announced it would require trucks and heavy vehicles to be fitted with anti-skid Electronic Stability Control (ESC) from 2010, as a result of a new agreement reached in Geneva.
The new regulation drawn up by the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (UNECE) promotes the harmonisation of standards globally.
Similar requirements for passenger cars are expected to be agreed next year.
聯合國歐洲經濟委員會（United Nations Economic Commission for Europe，UNECE)在2007年宣布,於2010年起,基於日內瓦協議, 要求卡車及重車配備ESC
對於乘用客車的要求,預期是在明年2014
在NCAP 5顆星的現行規定
http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-Page/f63ece56-83d0-4d85-8522-2d48b0526c2f/do-all-5-star-cars-have-esc.aspx
For a car to be awarded 5 stars, ESC must be at least optionally available on all of the tested model variants on sale in the EU-27. Moreover, ESC must be present on 90% or more of all variants sold in the EU-27.
要拿 NCAP 5 星. 所有受測車之販售車型ESC至少是選配 ,甚至,ESC必需出現於其在歐盟27國之90%以上的販售車型
其實是,所有的大廠都已將ESC列為中,大型車的標配,
只有一些低價車,1萬歐元(40萬台幣)左右的微型車/小車,不是標準配備
事實是
歐洲的Toyota所有車型, 一年前開始把6氣囊+ESP(ESC)列為所有,在歐洲販售車型的標準配備
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_stability_control
Regulation
While Sweden used public awareness campaigns to promote ESC use,[55] others implemented or proposed legislation.
The Canadian province of Quebec was the first jurisdiction to implement an ESC law, making it compulsory for carriers of dangerous goods (without data recorders) in 2005.[56]
The United States was next, requiring ESC for all passenger vehicles under 10,000 pounds (4536 kg), phasing in the regulation starting with 55% of 2009 models (effective 1 September 2008), 75% of 2010 models, 95% of 2011 models, and all 2012 models.[10]
Canada[57][58] will require all new passenger vehicles to have ESC from 1 September 2011.[59]
The Australian Government announced on 23 June 2009 that ESC would be compulsory from 1 November 2011 for all new passenger vehicles sold in Australia, and for all new vehicles from November 2013.[60]
The European Parliament has also called for the accelerated introduction of ESC.[61]
The European Commission has confirmed a proposal for the mandatory introduction of ESC on all new cars and commercial vehicle models sold in the EU from 2012, with all new cars being equipped by 2014.[62]
The United Nations Economic Commission for Europe has passed a Global Technical Regulation to harmonize ESC standards.[63]
台幣70萬約為歐元1萬7千5百
Euro 17500 的車很多都有
Toyota iQ ,Aygo,Yaris,Verso-s,都低於 17500歐元
http://www.citroen.fr/gamme-vehicules/#/home/
C4 Picasso 6 airbags+ESP =19990 €
C3 Picasso 16150 €
C3 13150 €
Peugeot208 5D : 12 850 €*
Peugeot2008 : 15 300 €*
Peugeot308 :€ 17800
這款雷諾 Captur 15600歐元(62.4萬台幣)起
http://www.renault.fr/gamme-renault/vehicules-particuliers/captur/crossover-captur/5-etoiles-euroncap/
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