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更新:國外機油發展現況及趨勢討論,飛踢台灣神油的假象及技倆~~


hsuchiehhao wrote:
機油有一個TBN衰退...(恕刪)


TBN,機油中的鹼值,這其實可以不用考慮,
有去看過國外的用車人的機由檢查報表,
有開到10000miles的,TBN還是在2以上.
還在0以上就表示機油還是呈現弱鹼性or鹼性,
安啦.
當然,我說的是大廠的機油,
一些台灣小廠商自行調配的機油我就不了解了.

ccfan wrote:
TBN,機油中的鹼值,這其實可以不用考慮,
有去看過國外的用車人的機由檢查報表,
有開到10000miles的,TBN還是在2以上.
...(恕刪)


其實TBN我只說了一半.....
TBN不是歸零 才會變酸
因為另外一個因子 TAN正是酸價.....
TAN=6 TBN=4 鹼已經小於酸了......
所以....機油該下課了

TBN不是越多越好....而是看消耗快慢
就是我說的衰退曲線 是依里程線性下降(慢慢衰退)還是非線性下降(衰退很快)

前面好幾樓 已經聊過了 只是知道TBN曲線的人不多
hsuchiehhao wrote:
其實TBN我只說了一半.....
TBN不是歸零 才會變酸
因為另外一個因子 TAN正是酸價.....
TAN=6 TBN=4 鹼已經小於酸了......
所以....機油該下課了

TBN不是越多越好....而是看消耗快慢
就是我說的衰退曲線 是依里程線性下降(慢慢衰退)還是非線性下降(衰退很快)

以上說明的太清楚了,一般人根本不知道什麼是TBN,只可惜TBN是否為慢慢衰退或是衰退很快,並不是由數據上可以看的出的,除非把洩下來的機油拿去化驗..
hsuchiehhao wrote:
TAN=6 TBN=4 鹼已經小於酸了......


gonwu wrote:
以上說明的太清楚了,一般人根本不知道什麼是TBN


大家先參考,有問題再說。

Total Base Number (TBN)
TBN is a property usually associated with engine oils. It is defined as the oils' ability to neutralize acid. The higher the TBN, the more acid it is able to neutralize. This quality is also referred to as alkaline reserve and is directly proportional to the amount of active detergent contained in the oil. New engine oils typically possess TBN's from 5.0 to 15.0, depending on manufacturer and intended service. As the oil is used, it becomes contaminated with acids and the TBN drops. Generally, TBN levels below 3.0 are considered too low and indicate that the oil should be changed. One cause of TBN depletion relates to the use of low quality, high Sulfur fuel. During the combustion process, this Sulfur turns to Sulfuric acid and in turn, accelerates TBN depletion. As discussed previously, overheating and over-extended drain intervals can cause oil oxidation. The products of oxidation are acidic and will cause the TBN to drop.

Total Acid Number (TAN)
TAN is a property typically associated with industrial oils. It is defined as the amount of acid and acid-like material in the oil. Oxidation and nitration resins make up the majority of this material. As the oil is used, acidic components build up in the lubricant causing the TAN number to increase. A high TAN number represents the potential for accelerated rust, corrosion and oxidation and is a signal that the oil should be replaced. Critical TAN numbers are dependant on oil type. Typically R&O and light duty oils have a maximum TAN of 2 while anti-wear and EP oils may have maximum levels of 3 to 4.

TAN - TBN Ratios in Engine Oils
TAN by itself is of limited value in determining oil condition of an engine oil due to the fact that it represents a combination of different chemical characteristics. The acid-like nature of anti-wear additives found in most modern engine oils cause a high initial TAN. Greatest benefit is derived from the TAN by comparing it to the TBN. TAN increases in service as TBN decreases. The point at which these two numbers meet has been indicated as the maximum useful oil change interval for that type of engine in that type of service. Studies have shown that when TAN exceeds TBN, engine wear accelerates at abnormally high rates.
to teabox:

與其要放資料上來
不如解說資料....因為不會有人想看"資料"

資料與資訊(心得)還是有點不同.....把資料匯整變成資訊
簡單的把TBN/TAN解釋清楚 一般人才會想看

另外 我隨便舉的TAN6 TBN4 只是舉例說明 別認真啊

想請問一下 開板大大...
就您的了解,

以台灣的天候與路況來說
哪種係數的機油較適合2500CC之渦輪增壓車款 ?

小弟,多半是一半HIGHWAY 一半市區... 不大腳操車...
選有廠牌5w-30全合成油即可,不想花時間找問,價錢合理,選mobil 0w-40也ok~不會不好。

只是還是建議5w-30

teabox wrote:
選有廠牌5w-30全...(恕刪)


感謝版大的回答... 我現在用的就是MOBIL 1 0W40...
之前也用過0W30的油...

SLM6阿炮 wrote:
小弟日系車在台灣加0...(恕刪)


車車選油應該要注意幾點:

1. 自己的愛車的引擎現況~
2. 現在的有品種類及是否有啥問題?
3. 開車習慣
4. 開車環境
5. 車是否常開?
6. 想要怎樣的結果? 省油? 好開? 開急拉轉速? 還是飆到160以上?
7.......

所以要看大大想要怎樣的需求來選油品~~
PS. 夏天跟冬天不建議用一樣的油品~ 台灣夏天平均溫度跟冬天差很多!!

舉個例子: 如果現在車車用 5W-30 但是已經有噴藍煙或吃機油的問題了,就絕對不能再用5W-30~~ 因為不適合現在的車況了~~

這是很專業的問題~~

gonwu wrote:
以上說明的太清楚了,...(恕刪)


TBN 是為了綜合機油使用中產生的酸 (不管怎產生的),每支機油的配方不同,所產生的酸度不同,也就需要不同的 TBN 值,不是越大越好~ 是適合就好~~~
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