您對 E3 太熱情了，對此討論已持有太多成見了..... 懇請冷靜些
350D 比 E3 好（可能也比 M8 好吧），這些測試只在陳述某特定控制下狀況某些表現。沒有必要因為高價機種得分低，而不屑該測試。那些高價機種也不因得分低而減損其價值。
若您仔細看那張 G1 未處理的圖，有暗角且桶狀變形明顯，但實際上，使用者得到的 JPEG 或原廠搭配的 RAW 處理程式，會將這些調整好。
Windwaker wrote:
There we g...(恕刪)
You still don't understand, do you?
The reason I say you are wrong, is implying that DXO DID post their method to rank Dynamic Range.
You can disagree with their method and come up with your own mind-blowing plan and let us see. (which you didn't) In that case even if I disagree with your plan, I won't say you're wrong. I would just say I don't agree with your idea.
However, you are wrong because you said they didn't post their method, WHICH THEY DID! (At least for Dynamic Range, which is what we are focused in this discussion)
You can read English. It's on their website. Please do read. Thank you! If you don't want to read, then you should just ignore DXO just like you ignore Image-Resource!
Furthermore, maybe all of my friends don't like Olympus.
But why don't you ask your Olympus-friendly print-shop, magazine firm, and other publication firm.
How many professional users use Olympus for publication work?
All of them use Olympus?
A lot?
A little?
Just a few?
Almost none?
Really, I don't care about consumer group. Most of them follow the advertising anyways.
That's why I ask you to ask the pros.
If you get a number more than 30% pros using Olympus in your "Olympus-friendly" print-shop, I don't need any confirmation, I'll just shut up. Wether if you make up the number or not I don't really care. Because you'll know if you're in the business: You're lonely.
(Even though I mainly use R8, but I'm still using E1 for part of my work. I'd so happy to meet with any Olympus pro user in the business, even though I don't really like Olympus now-a-day.)
However, you ignore Image-Resource at first.
Now you try to ignore the professional group.
All you can do is focus on DXO and attack it.
Which is fine for me~ I don't work at DXO~ I won't have any benefit protecting DXO Lab...
But before you attack them, Please Read!
cedric8tpe wrote:
Snowman 君也是 L 的用家，應該有類似的感受。即便是幾年前數位不普遍，許多職業用家的生財工具也是 C/N，難道說 L 不好嗎？
在底片時代時，雖然之前有 Nikon 堅持的 52mm 和 Canon 修改為 EF 而搶走許多職業用家，但是 135 片幅中 L 還是佔有一席之地。看看當時 National Geographic 有多少作品是 L/C/N 就可以看出了...
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snowmen wrote:
You still ...(恕刪)
Is this even a discussion? "You are wrong" is a word you keep using in the last two posts.
DXOMark did NOT post details of how they do it. The information on their website is ambigious and didn't include enough detail.
Furthermore, you keep sayng image source has a more through review. Where is it?
We have at least 3 posts in this thread proves how 4/3 perform under high light/low light condition with comparison to Nikon. 4/3 preserve more details than it competitor under heavy sunlight .
All you did here is trying to say that you have the data but you NEVER actually utilize it propery. All the information you provided are your personal experience and preferences. We have olympus users use E3 for production work even on mobile01.
4/3 has tons of pictures in this thread. Where is your proof?
Dumb people always call other people wrong in a discussion because they are ignorant and arrogant.
我是O家用戶, 那因為同事間的交流, 也玩過其他家的相機
我說一下我的感覺好了
N家的對焦系統真的是很精準, D300以上機身的高ISO相當好用
不過原始設定的色調比O家冷一些.
C家....只摸過幾次, 沒借來玩過.
S家...上次看到的照片是很失敗的照片, 在一次陰天的公司戶外烤肉活動, 有同事拿A-200去拍照
之後他分享出來的照片整體色調只能說詭異, 人臉的色調由膚色變熟的豬肝色, 衣服顏色也跑掉
紫色變黑色, 粉紅色變暗紅, 我去問那位同事, 問他是不是設定錯了, 後來得到的答案是.....RAW解檔設定錯誤
全部的照片不知道用什麼模式去解檔了, 整個錯很大
所以~~~~~~還是無法評論
O家......O家標榜著4/3系統可縮小相機和鏡頭的體積, 但一開始的機身和鏡頭群卻沒有發揮這項理念
直到後來的E-410/E-420才真正有展現這項理念, 後續的入門鏡頭群也開始朝縮小化發展
14-42mm kit , 25mm餅乾, 9-18mm 超廣角
同焦段中應該沒有其他家鏡頭有像這三顆這麼輕巧的.
小道消息:
之後O家的發展傾向於頂級E-X, 中階E-X0, 入門E-4X0
會把E-5X0的IS下放到E-4X0, 而E-4X0仍維持現有的輕巧外型
中階E-X0會擁有比較多元化的功能, 對焦系統也提升了
當然最強的頂級E-X, 防滴防塵的特色一定會有, 還有所有最新的技術都會放在頂級機身上
唉~~~~~~~不知道我的E-330能不能藉由內部基板更換達到升級的效果
我可是很愛E-330的造型的
Windwaker wrote:
Is this ev...(恕刪)
Some people just cannot find a way to go through the their brain.
There's nothing wrong to tell other people wrong in a discussion. If I'm wrong and you point out, if you really have a point, I'd accept that I'm wrong. However, you're just like typical saving face people who doesn't want to admit his error.
Especially the error here is the fact that DXO post their way to test Dynamic Range.
Image-Resource is on the internet.
DXO post their stuff on the internet as well.
From my reading, DXO has similar approach than Image-Resource and DPReview under Dynamic Range testing.
If you don't even want to read or google, stop shouting.
Furthermore, you keep saying some people post some test or something on the forum.
I'd say only amateur view their photo on the internet with small print.
It's so small that even E3 lost their detail.
When I look at stuff, I print 20" out.
That's how I decide wether to keep E1, change to E3, or change to Nikon.
Plus, you said E3 has great DR under high/low light.
Does E3 really work in high light?
DPReview is against it for sure. It only can go to +3.1EV under ISO 400, which D90 can go +3.9EV under ISO 400.
Do you have anything to say to DPReview about the way they test DR?
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snowmen wrote:
Some peopl...(恕刪)
Well, I guess I will use your own word to end this discusion.
Your are wrong.
Check people's picture in this thread and stop providing your personal preference.
There are tons of picture in THIS thread which illustrates how 4/3 performs against Nikon in high light. If the picture doesn't make the point, I'm not sure what will.
You call yourslef a professional? Professional doesn't make conclusion until solid evidence is provided. They go into discussoin and provide proof. Where is your proof? DXOMark with no background informatoin? Where is your link?
I think you are just a amater guy who tried to act like a professional. I see no professionalism in you. You don't provide any evidence and all you said was "i'm a professional and i'm telling you the truth, and you're wrong."
That sounds like pretty dumb and ignorant.
Nowadays, anyone with a camera can call himself professional.
For you, it's all abou your personal bias and preference.
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